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Lets put this in another perspective:
5" 1911, with one magazine of 8+1, for 9 rounds of 230 grain JHP, equals 2 pounds, 15 ounces:
9 rounds versus 43 rounds for essentially the same weight.
That is MORE than FIVE TIMES the ammo.
That said, I am not stacking the deck for arguments sake, and simply showing the two, as I actually run them.
Yeah, but, but, the "average gunfight" is only 2-3 shots............and I don't want to leave brass behind with my fingerprints. Sorry for the immaturity.
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Thanks for the post Mac, complete with photos AND math.
I'd swagged my way to "it's close", but had no idea it was basically a push for weight.
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Yeah, but, but, the "average gunfight" is only 2-3 shots............and I don't want to leave brass behind with my fingerprints. Sorry for the immaturity. Well, start digging in that snow bank, dammit!
It ain't what you don't know that makes you an idiot...it's what you know for certain, that just ain't so...
Most people don't want to believe the truth~they want the truth to be what they believe.
Stupidity has no average...
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I just spent two (more) hours digging in the snow this afternoon. I'm officially tired of snow right now.
If I had an 18/12 pitch metal roof, enough garage and shop space to get ALL of my rigs indoors, and a Bobcat to move snow around, I'd say bring it on. Since I have NONE of those things, I'm getting a lot of exercise this winter.
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Glock 34, with 2 magazines of 21 rounds +1, for 43 rounds of 124 grain JHP, equals 2 pounds, 14 ounces:
I will also note that these are actually 22 round mags. I download 1 round, as I find them a bit too tight.
Mac, What kind of magazines are those? They look like OEM G17/34 mags (or at least non-extended base plates), but the ones in my guns are only 17 rounds. The G18s are 33rnd. What's the secret? BTW my G17, an extra mag and 35 rounds of 147gr HSTs comes in at 2 pounds 12.4 ounces, or 3 pounds 1 ounce with the horsehide they ride in.
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ETS brand 22 round mags!
MAMMGA
(Making American Made Magazines Great Again!)
THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL. The Tikka T3 in .308 Winchester is the Glock 19 of the rifle world. The website is up and running!www.lostriverammocompany.com
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Yeah, but, but, the "average gunfight" is only 2-3 shots............and I don't want to leave brass behind with my fingerprints. Sorry for the immaturity. With all the mobs/anarchists/hoodrats that attack in packs, I will take door #2 pretty much every time.
THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL. The Tikka T3 in .308 Winchester is the Glock 19 of the rifle world. The website is up and running!www.lostriverammocompany.com
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Cool, thanks. I couldn't run the brightness up on my laptop enough to read the logo. Judging by the fact YOU are carrying them, I'll consider that field tested for my purposes.
I've been trying to do my part to make America great again, and just took my 5yr old son out to the desert in the sub-cold as schit wind to slaughter some milk jugs full of colored water with my .223AI. Naturally he was impressed.
I've wasted some opportunities to shoot with him, but that's changing, as of today.
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Hold tight on the ETS mags!
There have been some reports of some issues. Mine have seen a good bit of use and have been flawless, but others that I respect had problems.
That said, ETS was immediately on top of it, and sent them out new springs or mags.
The punchline is, I would suggest you give them a good workout or 2 on a range day before putting them into the carry rotation.
THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL. The Tikka T3 in .308 Winchester is the Glock 19 of the rifle world. The website is up and running!www.lostriverammocompany.com
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I just spent two (more) hours digging in the snow this afternoon. I'm officially tired of snow right now.
If I had an 18/12 pitch metal roof, enough garage and shop space to get ALL of my rigs indoors, and a Bobcat to move snow around, I'd say bring it on. Since I have NONE of those things, I'm getting a lot of exercise this winter. Speaking of snow, I just got back in from teaching the oldest daughter/and her friend about building snow caves/shelters. I gave them a quick lesson about skiers getting lost/off trail and freezing to death due to not knowing how to build a simple cave. These pics are crappy because it was dark out but they were having fun.
THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL. The Tikka T3 in .308 Winchester is the Glock 19 of the rifle world. The website is up and running!www.lostriverammocompany.com
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Could you send them over to finish mine? The public works boys have graded the streets more than once, and then bucket loaded the snow onto yards/corners. We have a 9ft high pile which is perfect for a cave, but the snow is PACKED and my 5yr old isn't quite big enough to run a shovel well.........though he tries. The room is large enough now that I have to relay the snow to the door, and I've kept the door just large enough to squeeze my shoulders through. I'm getting tired just describing it. I'm enjoying the heck out of this "dad is a hero" stage, and know it won't last, so I plan to rest after he's grown and gone. Good to know about ETS. I'm not in a huge hurry because I'm well supplied with OEMs, but I'll watch for a sale then give 'em a good wring-out.
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Hold tight on the ETS mags!
There have been some reports of some issues. Mine have seen a good bit of use and have been flawless, but others that I respect had problems.
That said, ETS was immediately on top of it, and sent them out new springs or mags.
The punchline is, I would suggest you give them a good workout or 2 on a range day before putting them into the carry rotation. I had spring issues with one of the first batches, but ETS sent new springs to me right away. The only other issues I've had with mine are dependent on length of the loaded round, they don't handle really short or really long rounds as well as Glock OEM. For most ammo though they are good to go.
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