Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Calls to ban Muslims from entering the U.S. are offensive and unconstitutional

agree or disagree?

"extreme vetting" is impossible in the nations of the ME. They didn't grow up on 608 Oak Grove Rd., they don't have a 'history' that can be documented. They live what we would call a semi-nomadic lifestyle in that there is no government agency to say that they did not commit a heinous murder right before they hopped on a plane for America. If they are a nuisance, their government has just that much more reason to tell our FedGov morons "sure, he's a good kid, you'll like him".

I say that America does not need any muslim for any reason, their death-cult mindset makes them a menace to every living soul in America.

Oh, and why aren't we taking in Dutch Afrikaners? I think they need refuge from the murderous regime in South Africa a helluva lot more than some sand-demon.

That's just my .02, I'm sure others will disagree with my sentiments.

Please provide direct quote/quotes from US Constitution supporting your position...I doubt very much that you can.

Prove me wrong.

very long but some interesting restrictions. if nothing else, read the last few lines, Section 8(e)!

Chapter 2, Section 212

Sec. 212. General classes of aliens ineligible to receive visas and excluded from
admission.




212SEC. 212. (a) Except as otherwise provided in this Act, the following
classes of aliens shall be ineligible to receive visas and shall be excluded
from admission into the United States:
(1) Aliens who are feeble-minded;
(2) Aliens who are insane;
(3) Aliens who have had one or more attacks of insanity;
(4) Aliens afflicted with psychopathic personality, epilepsy, or a
mental defect;
(5) Aliens who are narcotic drug addicts or chronic alcoholics;
(6) Aliens who are afflicted with tuberculosis in an}' form, or with
leprosy, or any dangerous contagious disease;
(7) Aliens not comprehended within any of the foregoing classes
who are certified by the examining surgeon as having a physical defect,
disease, or disability, w^hen determined by the consular or immigration
officer to be of such a nature that it may affect the ability of the alien
to earn a living, unless the alien affirmatively establishes that he will
not have to earn a living;
(8) Aliens who are paupers, professional beggars, or vagrants;
(9) Aliens who have been convicted of a crime involving moral
turpitude (other than a purely political offense), or aliens who admit
having committed such a crime, or aliens who admit committing acts
which constitute the essential elements of such a crime; except that
aliens who have committed only one such crime while under the age
of eighteen years may be granted a visa and admitted if the crime was
committed more than five years prior to the date of the application for
a visa or other documentation, and more than five years prior to date
of application for admission to the United States, unless the crime
resulted in confinement in a prison or correctional institution, in which
case such alien must have been released from such confinement more
than five years prior to the date of the application for a visa or other
documentation, and for admission, to the United States;
(10) Aliens who have been convicted of two or more offenses (other
than purely political offenses), regardless of whether the conviction
was in a single trial or whether the offenses arose from a single scheme
of misconduct and regardless of w^hether the offenses involved moral
turpitude, for which the aggregate sentences to confinement actually
imposed were five years or more;
(11) Aliens w^ho are polygamists or who practice polygamy or
advocate the practice of polygamy;
(12) Aliens who are prostitutes or who have engaged in i:)rostitution,
or aliens coming to the United States solely, principally, or incidentally
to engage in prostitution; aliens who directly or indirectly
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procure or attempt to procure, or who have procured or attempted to
procure or to import, prostitutes or persons for the purpose of prostitution
or for any other immoral purpose; and aliens who are or have
been supported by, or receive or have received, in whole or in part, the
proceeds of prostitution or aliens coming to the United States to engage
in any other unlawful commercialized vice, whether or not related
to prostitution;
(18) Aliens coming to the United States to engage in any immoral
sexual act;
(14) Aliens seeking to enter the United States for the purpose of
performing skilled or unskilled labor, if the Secretary of Labor has
determined and certified to the Secretary of State and to the Attorney
General that (A) sufficient workers in the United States who are able,
willing, and qualified are available at the time (of application for a
visa and for admission to the United States) and place (to w^hich
the alien is destined) to perform such skilled or unskilled labor, or
(B) the employment of such aliens will adversely affect the wages
and working conditions of the workers in the United States similarly
employed. The exclusion of aliens under this paragraph shall apply
only to the following classes: (i) those aliens described in the nonpreference
category of section 203 (a) (4), (ii) those aliens described
in section 101 (a) (27) (C), (27) (D), or (27) (E) (other than the
parents, spouses, or children of United States citizens or of aliens
lawfully admitted to the United States for permanent residence),
unless their services are determined by the Attorney General to be
needed urgently in the United States because of the high education,
technical training, specialized experience, or exceptional ability of /
such immigrants and to be substantially beneficial prospectively to
the national economy, cultural interest or welfare of the United
States;
(15) Aliens w^ho, in the opinion of the consular officer at the time of
application for a visa, or in the opinion of the Attorney General at the
time of application for admission, are likely at any time to become
public charges;
(16) Aliens who have been excluded from admission and deported
and who again seek admission within one year from the date of such
deportation, unless prior to their reembarkation at a place outside the
United States or their attempt to be admitted from foreign contiguous
territory the Attorney General has consented to their reapplying for
admission;
(17) Aliens who have been arrested and deported, or w'ho have
fallen into distress and have been removed pursuant to this or any
prior act, or who have been removed as alien enemies, or w^ho have
been removed at Government expense in lieu of deportation pursuant
to section 242 (b), unless prior to their embarkation or reembarkation
at a place outside the United States or their attempt to be admitted
from foreign contiguous territory the Attorney General has consented
to their applying or reapplying for admission;
(18) Aliens who are stowaways;
(19) Any alien who seeks to procure, or has sought to procure, or
has procured a visa or other documentation, or seeks to enter the
United States, by fraud, or by willfully misrepresenting a material
fact;
(20) Except as otherwise specifically provided in this Act, any
immigrant who at the time of application for admission is not in possession
of a valid unexpired immigrant visa, reentry permit, border
crossing identification card, or other valid entry document required by
this Act, and a valid unexpired passport, or other suitable travel
document, or document of identity and nationality, if such document
PUBLIC LAW 414-JUNE 27, 1952 [66 STAT .
is required under the regulations issued by the Attorney General
pursuant to section 211 (e) ;
(21) Except as otherwise specifically provided in this Act, any quota
immigrant at the time of application for admission whose visa has
been issued without compliance with the provisions of section 203;
(22) Aliens who are ineligible to citizenship, except aliens seeking
to enter as nonimmigrants; or persons who have departed from or
who have remained outside the United States to avoid or evade
training or service in the armed forces in time of war or a period
declared by the President to be a national emergency, except aliens
who were at the time of such departure nonimmigrant aliens and who
seek to reenter the United States as nonimmigrants;
(23) Any alien who has been convicted of a violation of any law or
regulation relating to the illicit traffic in narcotic drugs, or who has
been convicted of a violation of any law" or regulation governing or
controlling the taxing, manufacture, production, compounding, transportation,
sale, exchange, dispensing, giving away, importation,
exportation, or the possession for the purpose of the manufacture,
production, compounding, transportation, sale, exchange, dispensing,
giving away, importation or exportation of opium, coca leaves, heroin,
marihuana, or any salt derivative or preparation of opium or coca
leaves, or isonipecaine or any addiction-forming or addiction-sustaining
opiate; or any alien who the consular officer or immigration officers
know or have reason to believe is or has been an illicit trafficker in any
of the aforementioned drugs;
(24) Aliens (other than those aliens who are native-born citizens of
countries enumerated in section 101 (a) (27) (C) and aliens described
in section 101 (a) (27) (B)) who seek admission from foreign contiguous
territory or adjacent islands, having arrived there on a vessel
or aircraft of a nonsignatory line, or if signatory, a noncomplying
transportation line imder section 238 (a) and who have not resided
for at least tw^o years subsequent to such arrival in such territory or
adjacent islands;
(25) Aliens (other than aliens who have been lawfully admitted for
permanent residence and who are returning from a temporary visit
abroad) over sixteen years of age, physically capable of reading, who
cannot read and understand some language or dialect;
(26) Any nonimmigrant w^ho is not in possession of (A) a passport
valid for a minimum period of six months from the date of the expiration
of the initial period of his admission or contemplated initial
period of stay authorizing him to return to the country from which
he came or to proceed to and enter some other country during such
period; and (B) at the time of application for admission a valid nonimmigrant
visa or border crossing identification card;
(27) Aliens who the consular officer or the Attorney General knows
or has reason to believe seek to enter the United States solely, principally,
or incidentally to engage in activities which would be prejudicial
to the public interest, or endanger the welfare, safety, or security
of the United States;
(28) Aliens who are, or at any time have been, members of any of
the following classes:
(A) Aliens who are anarchists;
(B) Aliens who advocate or teach, or who are members of or
affiliated with any organization that advocates or teaches, opposition
to all organized government;
(C) Aliens who are members of or affiliated with (i) the Communist
Party of the United States, (ii) any other totalitarian
party of the United States, (iii) the Communist Political Association,
(iv) the Communist or any other totalitarian party of any
66 STAT. ] PUBLIC LAW 4 14-JUN E 27, 1952 185
State of the United States, of any foreign state, or of any political
or geographical subdivision of any foreign state, (v) any section,
subsidiary, branch, affiliate, or subdivision of any such association
or party, or (vi) the direct predecessors or successors of any such
association or party, regardless of what name such group or
organization may have used, may now bear, or may hereafter
adopt: Provided^ That nothing in this paragraph, or in any other
provision of this Act, shall be construed as declaring that the
Communist Party does not advocate the overthrow of the Government
of the United States by force, violence, or other unconstitutional
means;
(D) Aliens not within any of the other provisions of this paragraph
who advocate the economic, international, and governmental
doctrines of world communism or the establishment in
the United States of a totalitarian dictatorship, or who are members
of or affiliated with any organization that advocates the
economic, international, and governmental doctrines of world
communism or the establishment in the United States of a totalitarian
dictatorship, either through its own utterances or through
any written or printed publications issued or published by or with
the permission or consent of or under the authority of such organization
or paid for by the funds of, or funds furnished by, such
organization;
(E) Aliens not within any of the other provisions of this paragraph,
who are members of or affiliated with any organization
during the time it is registered or required to be registered under
section 7 of the Subversive Activities Control Act of 1950, unless ^4 st^^ 993.
such aliens establish that they did not have knowledge or reason
to believe at the time they became members of or affiliated with
such an organization (and did not thereafter and prior to the
date upon which such organization was so registered or so required
to be registered have such knowledge or reason to believe) that
such organization was a Communist organization;
(F) Aliens who advocate or teach or who are members of or
affiliated with any organization that advocates or teaches (i) the
overthrow by force, violence, or other unconstitutional means of
the Government of the United States or of all forms of law; or
(ii) the duty, necessity, or propriety of the unlawful assaulting
or killing of any officer or officers (either of specific individuals
or of officers generally) of the Government of the United States
or of any other organized government, because of his or their
official character; or (iii) the unlawful damage, injury, or destruction
of property; or (iv) sabotage;
(G) Aliens who write or publish, or cause to be written or published,
or who knowingly circulate, distribute, print, or display,
or knowingly cause to be circulated, distributed, printed, published,
or displayed, or who knowingly have in their possession
for the purpose of circulation, publication, distribution, or display,
any written or printed matter, advocating or teaching opposition
to all organized government, or advocating or teaching (i) the
overthrow by force, violence, or other unconstitutional means of
the Government of the United States or of all forms of law; or
(ii) the duty, necessity, or propriety of the unlawful assaulting or
killing of any officer or officers (either of specific individuals or
of officers generally) of the Government of the United States or
of any other organized government, because of his or their official
character; or (iii) the unlawful damage, injury, or destruction of
property; or (iv) sabotage; or (v) the economic, international,
and governmental doctrines of world communism or the establishment
in the United States of a totalitarian dictatorship;
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(H) Aliens who are members of or affiliated with any organization
that writes, circulates, distributes, prints, publishes, or displays,
or causes to be written, circulated, distributed, printed,
published, or displayed, or that has in its possession for the purpose
of circulation, distribution, publication, issue, or display, any
written or printed matter of the character described in paragraph
(G);
(I) Any alien who is within any of the classes described in subparagraphs
(B), (C), (D), (E), (F), (G), and (H) of this
paragraph because of membership in or affiliation with a party
or organization or a section, subsidiary, branch, affiliate, qr subdivision
thereof, may, if not otherwise ineligible, be issued a visa
if such alien establishes to the satisfaction of the consular officer
when applying for a visa and the consular ofiicer finds that (i)
such membership or affiliation is or was involuntary, or is or was
solely when under sixteen years of age, by operation of law, or
for purposes of obtaining employment, food rations, or other
essentials of living and where necessary for such purposes, or
(ii) (a) since the termination of such membership or affiliation,
such alien is and has been, for at least five years prior to the date
of the application for a visa, actively opposed to the doctrine,
program, principles, and ideology of such party or organization
or the section, subsidiary, branch, or affiliate or subdivision
thereof, and (b) the admission of such alien into the United
States would be in the public interest. Any such alien to whom
a visa has been issued under the provisions'of this subparagraph
may, if not otherwise inadmissible, be admitted into the United
States if he shall establish to the satisfaction of the Attorney
General when applying for admission to the United States and
the Attorney General finds that (i) such membership or affiliation
is or was involuntary, or is or was solely when under sixteen
years of age, by operation of law, or for purposes of obtaining
employment, food rations, or other essentials of living and when
necessary for such purposes, or (ii) (a) since the termination of
such membership or affiliation, such alien is and has been, for at
least five years prior to the date of the application for admission
actively opposed to the doctrine, program, principles, and ideology
of such party or organization or the section, subsidiary, branch,
or affiliate or subdivision thereof, and (b) the admission of such
alien into the United States would be in the public interest. The
Attorney General shall promptly make a detailed report to the
Congress in the case of each alien who is or shall be admitted into
the United States under (ii) of this subparagraph;
(29) Aliens with respect to whom the consular officer or the Attorney
General knows or has reasonable ground to believe probably
would, after entry, (A) engage in activities which would be prohibited
by the laws of the United States relating to espionage, sabotage,
public disorder, or in other activity subversive to the national
security, (B) engage in any activity a purpose of which is the opposition
to, or the control or overthrow of, the Government of the United
States, by force, violence, or other unconstitutional means, or (C)
join, affiliate with, or participate in the activities of any organization
50 use 786.* which is registered or required to be registered under section 7 of the
Subversive Activities Control Act of 1950;
(30) Any alien accompanying another alien ordered to be excluded
and deported and certified to be helpless from sickness or mental or
])hysical disability or infancy pursuant to section 237 (e), whose protection
or guardianship is required by the alien ordered excluded and
deported;
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(31) Any alien who at any time shall have, knowingly and for gain,
encouraged, induced, assisted, abetted, or aided any other alien to enter
or to try to enter the United States in violation of law,
(b) The provisions of paragraph (25) of subsection (a) shall not be .^NonappUcabiiapplicable
to any alien who (1) is the parent, grandparent, spouse,
daughter, or son of an admissible alien, or any alien lawfully admitted
for permanent residence, or any citizen of the United States, if accompanying
such admissible alien, or coming to join such citizen or alien
lawfully admitted, and if otherwise admissible, or (2) proves that he
is seeking admission to the United States to avoid religious persecution
in the country of his last permanent residence, whether such persecution
be evidenced by overt acts or by law^s or governmental regulations
that discriminate against such alien or any group to which he
belongs because of his religious faith. For the purpose of ascertaining
whether an alien can read under paragraph (25) of subsection (a),
the consular officers and immigration officers shall be furnished with
slips of uniform size, prepared under direction of the Attorney (jeneral,
each containing not less than thirty nor more than forty words in
ordinary use, printed in plainly legible type, in one of the various
languages or dialects of immigrants. Each alien may designate the
particular language or dialect in which he desires the examination to
be made and shall be required to read and understand the words
printed on the slip in such language or dialect.
(c) Aliens lawfully admitted for permanent residence who temporarily
proceeded abroad voluntarily and not under an order of deportation,
and who are returning to a lawful unrelinquished domicile of
seven consecutive years, may be admitted in the discretion of the Attorney
General without regard to the provisions of paragraph (1)
through (25) and paragraphs (30) and (31) of subsection (a). Nothing
contained in this subsection shall limit the authority of the Attorney
General to exercise the discretion vested in him under section
211 (b).
(d) (1) The provisions of paragraphs (11) and (25) of subsection
(a) shall not be applicable to any alien wdio in good faith is seeking to
enter the United States as a nonimmigrant.
(2) The provisions of paragraph (28) of subsection (a) of this
section shall not be applicable to any alien who is seeking to enter the
United States temporarily as a nonimmigrant under paragraph (15)
(A) (iii) or (15) (G) (v) of section 101 (a).
(3) Except as provided in this subsection, an alien (A) who is
applying for a nonimmigrant visa and is known or believed by the
consular officer to be ineligible for such visa under one or more of the
paragraphs enumerated in subsection (a) (other than paragraphs (27)
and (29)), may, after approval by the Attorney General of a recommendation
by the Secretary of State or by the consular officer that
the alien be admitted temporarily despite his inadmissibility, be
granted such a visa and may be admitted into the United States temporarily
as a nonimmigrant in the discretion of the Attorney General,
or (B) who is inadmissible under one or more of the paragraphs
enumerated in subsection (a) (other than paragraphs (27) and (29)),
but w^ho is in possession of appropriate documents or is granted a
waiver thereof and is seeking admission, may be admitted into the
United States temporarily as a nonimmigrant in the discretion of the
Attorney General.
(4) Either or both of the requirements of paragraph (26) of subsection
(a) may be waived by the Attorney General and the Secretary
of State acting jointly (A) on the basis of unforeseen emergency in
individual cases, or (B) on the basis of reciprocity with respect to
nationals of foreign contiguous territory or of adjacent islands and
Waive r of requirements.

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Parole of aliens.
Repor t to Congress.

S u s p e n s ion of
entry by President.
residents thereof having a common nationality with such nationals, or
(C) in the case of aliens proceeding in immediate and continuous
transit through the United States under contracts authorized in section
238 (d).
(5) The Attorney General may in his discretion parole into the
United States temporarily under such conditions as he may prescribe
for emergent reasons or for reasons deemed strictly in the public interest
any alien applying for admission to the United States, but such
parole of such alien shall not be regarded as an admission of the alien
and when the purposes of such parole shall, in the opinion of the
Attorney General, have been served the alien shall forthwith return
or be returned to the custody from which he was paroled and thereafter
his case shall continue to be dealt with in the same manner as
that of any other applicant for admission to the United States.
(6) The Attorney General shall prescribe conditions, including
exaction of such bonds as may be necessary, to control and regulate
the admission and return of excludable aliens applying for temporary
admission under this subsection. The Attorney General shall make a
detailed report to the Congress in any case in which he exercises his
authority under paragi*aph (3) of this subsection on behalf of any
alien excludable under paragraphs (9), (10), and (28) of subsection
(a).
(7) The provisions of subsection (a) of this section, except paragraphs
(20), (21), and (26), shall be applicable to any alien who shall
leave Hawaii, Alaska, Guam, Puerto Rico, or the Virgin Islands of
the United States, and who seeks to enter the continental United States
or any other place under the jurisdiction of the United States: Provided^
That persons who were admitted to Hawaii under the last sentence
of section 8 (a) (1) of the Act of March 24, 1934, as amended
(48 Stat. 456), and aliens who were admitted to Hawaii as nationals
of the United States shall not be excepted by this paragraph froin
the application of paragraphs (20) and (21) of subsection (a) of
this section, unless they belong to a class declared to be nonquota immigrants
under the provisions of section 101 (a) (27) of this Act, other
than subparagraph (C) thereof, or unless they were admitted to Hawaii
w^ith an immigration visa. The Attorney General shall by regulations
provide a method and procedure for the temporary admission to the
United States of the aliens described in this proviso. Any alien
described in this paragraph, who is excluded from admission to the
United States, shall be immediately deported in the manner provided
by section 237 (a) of this Act.
(8) Upon a basis of reciprocity accredited officials of foreign governments,
their immediate families, attendants, servants, and personal
employees may be admitted in immediate and continuous transit
through the United States without regard to the provisions of this section
except paragraphs (26), (27), and (29) of subsection (a) of this
section.
(e) Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of
any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the
interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such
period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or
any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the
entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

Well, Syc, it's time - what is your position??

well, Captain, I don't know the exact reference in the original statement.

Which calls to ban Muslims from entering the US was the author talking bout?

I do think it would be unconstitutional to treat a group of citizens in a particular way, based on their religion.

The original statement was from a mid-western governor, in December 2015, a tweet actually.

Sycamore

It is legal, been done before during times of war. Let us see, we are at war with terrorists, so yes it is a good thing.

One of the things about immigration is there should be control due to politics and protection from diseases for another.

Is everyone going to be happy? Hell no, you never will hae everyone happy.

Disagree! No one has the right to come to our country! It's a privilege, that can be removed at anytime! I think we should stop all, and regroup our immigration laws! Then only let people in with visa's, for a limited period of time. Maybe give them a tracking bracelet!

Fox News keeps showing all the protesters at JFK airport.

Is it wrong to wish a muzzy suicide bomber would take them all out?

well, Captain, I don't know the exact reference in the original statement.

Which calls to ban Muslims from entering the US was the author talking bout?

I do think it would be unconstitutional to treat a group of citizens in a particular way, based on their religion.

The original statement was from a mid-western governor, in December 2015, a tweet actually.

Sycamore

Can we spell LAME AZZED ANSWER ?

Refugees entering the country are neither citizens nor residents of the US, so there is no constitutional restriction on the criteria by which they can be excluded. The President has lots of latitude on this.

Actually it is not unconstitutional.

U.S. Immigration Legislation: 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act (McCarran-Walter Act)
1952 Immigration and Nationality Act, a.k.a. the McCarran-Walter Act (An act to revise the laws relating to immigration, naturalization, and nationality; and for other purposes)