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So a federal appeals court has found the AR platform to be beyond protection of the 2A.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...ult-rifle-ban-ruling-20170221-story.html

But does that really hold up under scrutiny? From Heller
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We may as well consider at this point (for we will have to consider eventually) what types of weapons Miller permits. Read in isolation, Miller’s phrase “part of ordinary military equipment” could mean that only those weapons useful in warfare are protected. That would be a startling reading of the opinion, since it would mean that the National Firearms Act’s restrictions on machineguns (not challenged in Miller) might be unconstitutional, machineguns being useful in warfare in 1939. We think that Miller’s “ordinary military equipment” language must be read in tandem with what comes after: “[O]rdinarily when called for [militia] service [able-bodied] men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.” 307 U. S., at 179. The traditional militia was formed from a pool of men bringing arms “in common use at the time” for lawful purposes like self-defense. “In the colonial and revolutionary war era, [small-arms] weapons used by militiamen and weapons used in defense of person and home were one and the same.” State v. Kessler, 289 Ore. 359, 368, 614 P. 2d 94, 98 (1980) (citing G. Neumann, Swords and Blades of the American Revolution 6–15, 252–254 (1973)). Indeed, that is precisely the way in which the Second Amendment ’s operative clause furthers the purpose announced in its preface. We therefore read Miller to say only that the Second Amendment does not protect those weapons not typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes, such as short-barreled shotguns. That accords with the historical understanding of the scope of the right, see Part III, infra.25


Now mind you such thinking was touched on in Heller:

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It may be objected that if weapons that are most useful in military service—M-16 rifles and the like—may be banned, then the Second Amendment right is completely detached from the prefatory clause. But as we have said, the conception of the militia at the time of the Second Amendment ’s ratification was the body of all citizens capable of military service, who would bring the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home to militia duty. It may well be true today that a militia, to be as effective as militias in the 18th century, would require sophisticated arms that are highly unusual in society at large. Indeed, it may be true that no amount of small arms could be useful against modern-day bombers and tanks. But the fact that modern developments have limited the degree of fit between the prefatory clause and the protected right cannot change our interpretation of the right.


However, it is (or should be) obvious that citing the M-16 is an altogether useless argument as such are already tightly prohibited. The cheap use of the word "like" tries to circumvent the delineation between one weapon outlawed since 1939 for general public possession/sale and types of rifles available for civilian purchase since the 1960's.

Actually it would appear that Heller not only would make the AR platform legal* but arguably is the single most applicable arm in meeting all the parameters of the 2A. Popular and in common ownership/use, useful in both hunting and self-defense easily the most applicable arm for defense of liberty and state.

And this is why judges matter.

*One does wonder what kind of "limitations" could be allowed however. See California.


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Needs to get to the SCOTUS.


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Needs to get to the SCOTUS.


It's our only hope at this point.

And I live in Maryland.

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Please note: Had Hillary won the presidency, this type of ruling would spread across the land and there would be no more 2nd Amendment freedoms.


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That court is so unbalanced that it went 10-4 against? Wow.

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10-4 ruling, issued by the entire Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond

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Isn't the fourth circuit the one that Obama packed with stupe-liberals after Dingy Harry exercised the "nuclear option?"


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So let me see the court's logic here..

Semi-auto handguns are protected by the 2nd Amendment according to Heller.
Semi-auto rifles are weapons of war and the 2nd Amendment cannot be extended to cover them according to Heller.

Umm..


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The 4th is now packed hard left thanks to Hussein, and to W for not doing a damned thing to fill slots when he had the chance (though his appointees have been miserable in their own right).

That said, the 4th may have just done us a favor with relying so heavily on Miller. In many ways, they have misapplied Miller, but regardless they have identified it as a ruling that needs to be attacked and overturned. Miller should never have been allowed to stand this long, and it must go.


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Well, it IS Maryland - where virtually nothing re: firearms is legal..



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Originally Posted by Redneck
Well, it IS Maryland - where virtually nothing re: firearms is legal..



Actually, it is now the entire 4th, in addition to the 2nd thanks to the NY SAFE Act and Bloomberg on both counts.


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What y'all MD boys need to ban is Elijah Cummings!!!


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So a federal appeals court has found the AR platform to be beyond protection of the 2A.



That's interesting because I thought this kind of situation was the whole purpose of the Second Amendment and AR-15.


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We should be thankful the Dems are anti-gun. Otherwise they would probably have carried the presidential election in 2000 and 2016. The amazing thing is they are too stupid to see that none of their gun confiscation laws have had the slightest effect on crime.

Speaking of stupid, Martin O'Malley is one of the stupidest people in America.



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So a federal appeals court has found the AR platform to be beyond protection of the 2A.



That's interesting because I thought this kind of situation was the whole purpose of the Second Amendment and AR-15.


That is also why it should go to the SCOTUS. Even if Miller were properly applied, the AR ban would fail. The 4th got it dead wrong; and, Miller needs to be overturned.


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Originally Posted by Calhoun
So let me see the court's logic here..

Semi-auto handguns are protected by the 2nd Amendment according to Heller.
Semi-auto rifles are weapons of war and the 2nd Amendment cannot be extended to cover them according to Heller.

Umm..


It's legislating from the bench pure and simple, Stupid judge is using his opinion and not existing law.


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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
We should be thankful the Dems are anti-gun. Otherwise they would probably have carried the presidential election in 2000 and 2016. The amazing thing is they are too stupid to see that none of their gun confiscation laws have had the slightest effect on crime.

Speaking of stupid, Martin O'Malley is one of the stupidest people in America.



They aren't stupid. They know those laws have no effect on crime, because they are not intended to have any effect on crime.


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So a federal appeals court has found the AR platform to be beyond protection of the 2A.



That's interesting because I thought this kind of situation was the whole purpose of the Second Amendment and AR-15.


That is also why it should go to the SCOTUS. Even if Miller were properly applied, the AR ban would fail. The 4th got it dead wrong; and, Miller needs to be overturned.


Sean, do you think it will go to SCOTUS?


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Originally Posted by byc
What y'all MD boys need to ban is Elijah Cummings!!!


No doubt. That guy is not impressive. Not a good poster child for blacks in government, either.
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Well, it IS Maryland - where virtually nothing re: firearms is legal..



Actually, it is now the entire 4th, in addition to the 2nd thanks to the NY SAFE Act and Bloomberg on both counts.


Yes absolutely. Just a corrosive oozing through the freedom safeguards of our Constitution, The NY Safe Act is pernicious and dangerous to us all.

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Originally Posted by Nebraska
Originally Posted by guyandarifle
So a federal appeals court has found the AR platform to be beyond protection of the 2A.



That's interesting because I thought this kind of situation was the whole purpose of the Second Amendment and AR-15.


That is also why it should go to the SCOTUS. Even if Miller were properly applied, the AR ban would fail. The 4th got it dead wrong; and, Miller needs to be overturned.


Sean, do you think it will go to SCOTUS?


It will be appealed to the SCOTUS, but whether the SCOTUS grants cert is another question entirely. Gorsuch needs to be on the bench, NOW, but the problems are still going to be Roberts and Kennedy. They are inconsistent and unreliable. With Gorsuch there, it would be Ginsburg, Breyer, and Sotamayor against the 2A, with Thomas, Alito, and presumably Gorsuch for the 2A - and Kagan, Roberts, and Kennedy up for grabs. Even if you put Roberts on our side and Kagan on the other, that still leaves a 4-4 tie with Kennedy deciding.


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