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Excellent post, AS.

As you well know, the absolute foundational bedrock of Christianity (indeed, all religions) is the doctrine of unfalsifiability. They have had thousands of years to develop a worldview and theology that is beyond any true evidence apart from emotion and vague 'feelings'. This, despite the fact that their holy book of 'revelation' repeatedly describes physical manifestations and interactions with the physical realm by their deity.

There is not one aspect of religion that can be put to the test (designedly so) thus allowing any and all specious claims to made with impunity and defended simply by claiming 'you must believe'...


Is it any wonder we live in a world of 'alternative facts' and doublespeak?

Truly, we have always been at war with Eastasia.....

Was the stuff on RR's lower lip and chin suppose to simulate a colander facial?

You didn't prove anything. I gave examples from God's Word that Jesus is the God of the Old Testament. You didn't refute the claim. You tried to discredit the messenger.

You said you would accept proof that God exists if it is available. You don't, though. There are millions of people whose lives have changed overnight because they came to a realization Jesus is their Savior. But you don't like this kind of proof.

We're not in a criminal court and I'm under no burden to prove anything.

I'm asking you a simple question: Can you prove there is No God?

This is a simple "Yes" or "No" question.

Well then, if you won't/can't stand behind what you say with facts, why should anything you say have any veracity at all?

BUT...... you had to believe in the POSSIBILITY of radio waves before you could design the equipment to capture them.

The same holds true for God....... except he furnished you with the necessary equipment at birth.

You just won't use it.

I disagree. The main tenet of Christianity, or the "bedrock" is NOT the "doctrine of unfalsifiabilty." One who makes this statement has little knowledge of Christianity.

The main tenet is Jesus. Pure and simple. Part of the triune God who came as man and provided the propitiation for our sin. And then resurrected.

btw, I have never heard of the doctrine of "unfalsifiability." Sounds like nonsense from one who is ignorant.

There is also much more in common amongst the Protestant denominations than you seem to realize. If you would like to "major in minors" then you are free to do so but you will only impress the uniformed. You may want to peruse the home pages of the many websites offered up by local churches across the globe. Most will have a "tenets of the faith" or "what we believe" section. These pages are remarkable in their similarity.

Someone may mouth off and say "Christians can't decide what they believe" and then point to issues like age of the earth. Gimme a break. That is pure majoring in minors. I don't think you will find issues like "age of the earth" on very many "what we believe pages."

Your post is just nonsensical and indicates a general lack of knowledge and simple ignorance.

TF

I dont doubt that at all, staunch jews or catholics or muslims for that matter, are deeply committed to such outward appearance role playing
which is expected of them. Usually its enough to appease the others who are usually playing the same silly facade game. I say that as person
who grew up in the roman catholic environment at home (RC on both sides of family lines) , catholic private school and community among Irish
and Mediterraneans which is about as Catholic as it gets....we also had long term jewish family friends & neighbors...whos weddings, funerals
and family gatherings we went to.

Clergy themselves may not necessarily believe the doctrine they push onto their religious constituents, it just another job and lifestyle choice
they happened to have selected over something else. ..some quit the clergy and take their smoke and mirrors marketing-sales skills to another
conman career like politics.



So science has been proven responsible for altering some supposedly spiritual peoples spiritual perspective.

AS does so in completely reasonable manner, and why would any devout Christian baulk at supporting their own case argument
while choosing to engaging on a thread such as this?...why would they also choose see it as an unreasonable request?

The only ones arguing are the amateur theologians and the Misodeitics.

Kent

it's THIS sorta' language that makes reading this kinda' thread worthwhile.

Kudos on succinct, to the point, and bang on BREVITY.

GTC

Curdog,

As most people born in America at my time, my original default position was that God existed. However, when I examined the evidence all I found was a lack of evidence. So you assertion that I've never believed in the possibility is just wrong.

As for believing in the possibility of radio waves before the development of the first radio, Maxwell had the mathematical and theoretical model worked out in 1864. In addition the propagation of radio waves through other median such as railroad track, had already been demonstrated prior to the first demonstration of what we would today call a radio.

Unlike what you are proposing for your god, there were beliefs based on evidence not faith.

As for the God of your faith, I'm still waiting for you to demonstrate that he exists.

What does electricity look like?

DW,

Since it appear you are not formally trained in logic, I was using the court room example to show how a delimma is approached. You address one prong at a time, and the burden of proof is on the party making the positive claim.

In logic, if you are making the positive claim (a god exists), and cannot provide sufficient evidence to support your claim, it is completely reasonable for the other party to reject your claim.

What you are attempting is a logical fallacy called "shifting the burden of proof".

As mentioned above, the theist begins by constructing a non-falsifiable version of their god(s), proving no proof for said god(s), then attempt to shift the burden of proof upon the other party.

TF,

So are you saying the Christian Doctrine is falsifiable?

If it is falsifiable, describe what that would look like.

Of course not. Do not try to put words in my mouth and restate the issue.

Many will typically avoid the main issue, which is one's relationship or lack thereof with Jesus, and then muck about with the minor controversies they feel comfortable with.

Straman,

There are those who set themselves up as the judge as to whether or not there is sufficient evidence to "prove God." It is a waste of time to attempt a proof of God to one who has already decided to reject the evidence. Surely you understand this.

As has been stated before, there does exist a proof of God. God goes to and does indeed reveal Himself to individuals. Now, you may reject this but the fact remains that it is true. Surely you can understand this.

AS is only here on this forum to influence others, perhaps like you, to believe there is no God. If there is "no God" there is no accountability. Note that some think that if they live their life without believing in God, that they somehow get a pass .....IF It turns out that God does exist and IF there is a judgment day.

Having said this, one can choose to ignore the evidence for the existence of God, but remember what one believes, even wholeheartedly,,does not change reality.

i've always been suspicious, at least in my own mind, that AS was sent here to educate us, to sharpen us, to teach us, to debate in a respectful manner. the end result is to help those who believe in god when they interact w/others out in the real world. they've been trained, educated, and enlightened as to "all" or at least to many of the arguments of the loyal opposition.

and for that we can all be thankful.

and AS sticks to his guns. that's a good sign right there.

one doesn't have to be a pastor, preacher, rabbi, cohen, levite, priest etc. to explore the spiritual side of life. one can do so as a lowly commoner while working 30 hours a week. people have the perfect right to explore all kinds of stuff, and walk away with their own conclusions.

the internet helps everyone along these lines. it's not perfect, but it's better to have it than not have it.

"He is WITHIN YOU...... look not for Him elsewhere."

Focus on the "generic god" instead of the Christian God and you will find Him much harder to deny.

The fact that you choose to argue with your fellow creatures instead of with that "generic god" proves you are not, and never were, serious in your search.