I love the slim and trim little 20's for turkey hunting, especially now that I'm getting long in the tooth. But, I've never had one that will pattern with the various 12's I've had. Now, and I'll say beforehand that I'll probably catch some flack on this, but I refuse to shoot those high dollar shells and I won't use shot smaller than #5 in a 20 guage. I have a pair of 20's, and 870 and an 11-87, both youth models. I use an Indian Creek choke mostly, and have Remington turkey chokes, Hevi-Shot choke, and H.S. Strut chokes also in 20 that I've tried. While I've killed turkeys with no problem with the 20's, I've still never been totally happy with the patterns. I've tied a bunch of different shells too....Winchester, Remington, Federal, Kent, and Hevi-Shot, in 4, 5, and 6 shot. On the flip side, I have Winchester 1300 Turky Gun in a 3 inch 12 that throws the best pattern I've ever seen, using Winchester Supreme's. I shot be completely happy using that gun, and not give a second thought to the anything else. But, like I said, I love packing those little 20 gauges, and I'm determined to stick with them. I just wish I could find a combination that I was happy with. I know, I being stubborn by not "broadening my horizon" and trying other shells or choke combinations.