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If I had the inclination (and moolah) to hunt a big bear my weapon of choice would be...Phil Shoemaker (or his daughter or son). Can't trump experience. I would just do every little thing exactly as they told me. Oh, and I'd bring this....  . ![[Linked Image]](http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x334/mojohand1/image_zpsuavhzxzl.jpeg)
It ain't what you don't know that makes you an idiot...it's what you know for certain, that just ain't so...
Most people don't want to believe the truth~they want the truth to be what they believe.
Stupidity has no average...
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There is a show on the telly this week called Destination TQ where the host shoots a Brown Bear on camera with a shiny brass action Henry in .30/30 using open sights.
1st shot dropped it at 65 yards and then 2 follow up shots ended it.
He also shot a large moose on the previous show. One shot and down like a stone.
I recommend you listen to Phil. You don't need to justify your purchases, take what you enjoy shooting.
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But, but, this is America. The whole point is to justify our new purchases.... 
Gunnery, gunnery, gunnery.
Hit the target, all else is twaddle!
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When I started guiding it seemed like the majority of hunters brought their older, well used rifles. Today I would say at least half bring new magnums purchased for the hunt.
After all, what better excuse is there to buy a new rifle ?
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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When I started guiding it seemed like the majority of hunters brought their older, well used rifles. Today I would say at least half bring new magnums purchased for the hunt.
After all, what better excuse is there to buy a new rifle ? Flip side? Ima gonna drop a pile of money on a hunt far away and buy a new rifle I can barely shoot! lol...
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
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American by birth; Alaskan by choice.
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When I started guiding it seemed like the majority of hunters brought their older, well used rifles. Today I would say at least half bring new magnums purchased for the hunt.
After all, what better excuse is there to buy a new rifle ? Flip side? Ima gonna drop a pile of money on a hunt far away and buy a new rifle I can barely shoot! lol...  Us Loonies never criticize someone for buying a new gun, just 'cause... BUT, you gotta be able to shoot it. I find it kinda scary, seeing some youngster out in the deer woods with a new "big box" high powered rifle, new camo duds, all excited, ready to rock and roll. Not a confidence builder... I think I can understand how Phil and other veteran guides must feel when confronted with, although a more mature hunter, a nonetheless all too familiar scenario. And, don't ya know, "old ugly" is gonna get some action...  DF
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If I had the inclination (and moolah) to hunt a big bear my weapon of choice would be...Phil Shoemaker (or his daughter or son). Can't trump experience. I would just do every little thing exactly as they told me. Oh, and I'd bring this.... . That's not a "this", those are a "these"
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When I started guiding it seemed like the majority of hunters brought their older, well used rifles. Today I would say at least half bring new magnums purchased for the hunt.
After all, what better excuse is there to buy a new rifle ? Flip side? Ima gonna drop a pile of money on a hunt far away and buy a new rifle I can barely shoot! lol... Us Loonies never criticize someone for buying a new gun, just 'cause... BUT, you gotta be able to shoot it. DF Not criticizing someone (anyone) buying a new gun. BTDT. Just agreeing w/ Phil about a DSMFer that's never shot anything beyond say a 243 showing up w/ a 338WM for their bear hunt. Hey! The guy at Cabelas even bore sighted it for him!!
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
--Pat Parelli
American by birth; Alaskan by choice.
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If I had the inclination (and moolah) to hunt a big bear my weapon of choice would be...Phil Shoemaker (or his daughter or son). Can't trump experience. I would just do every little thing exactly as they told me. Oh, and I'd bring this.... . That's not a "this", those are a "these" Anyone foolish enough to shoot one of those in a serious chambering deserves EVERY headache they get... ridiculous POS stock for anything recoiling at 270 levels and above...
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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I personally if hunting brown bear it would be with my 338 RUM and 250 gr Nosler Partitions or Barnes TSX
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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If I had the inclination (and moolah) to hunt a big bear my weapon of choice would be...Phil Shoemaker (or his daughter or son). Can't trump experience. I would just do every little thing exactly as they told me. Oh, and I'd bring this.... . Great guns"...been watching a 300 WM in one of these in a local shop.....likely won't buy it but is priced really nice......with a nice Leupold scop....must resist.....
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A lot of truth there Bender,when I came to Alaska in 68 I bought a .338, I had a lot trigger time with various center fires ,my first shot out of my new .338 gave me a trophy,a hole in my lip and a tooth mark in the stock.
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I guess it shows to go ya not one stock fits everyone. The largest cartridge I've shot in one of those was a .338Win w/250gr factory ammo. Honestly I didn't think it was that bad considering.
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I guess it shows to go ya not one stock fits everyone. The largest cartridge I've shot in one of those was a .338Win w/250gr factory ammo. Honestly I didn't think it was that bad considering. Ditto, but I did install a Pachmayr decelerator pad which was a great improvement!
Good Shooting!
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I guess it shows to go ya not one stock fits everyone. The largest cartridge I've shot in one of those was a .338Win w/250gr factory ammo. Honestly I didn't think it was that bad considering. Sorry, but recoil has huge objective components and getting around those is not possible with boat paddles. The subjective components can be dealt with as you wish, but shooting the same rifle in Len Brownell's original stock as a comparison would show a vast improvement. And there is plenty of room to improve that.
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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Agreed. Hardest kicker I ever shot was a boat paddle in 270. Shape and makeup of that stock just turned it into a hatchet
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I have a 300 WM that came in a boat paddle stock. I shot it a lot and killed quite a bit with it. I got a Mickey for it from Karnis and bedded it for it. For a little test I took both stocks out shooting and swapped them out while at the range. Huge difference in felt recoil. The boat paddle ain't been on it since...
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I guess it shows to go ya not one stock fits everyone. The largest cartridge I've shot in one of those was a .338Win w/250gr factory ammo. Honestly I didn't think it was that bad considering. Sorry, but recoil has huge objective components and getting around those is not possible with boat paddles. The subjective components can be dealt with as you wish, but shooting the same rifle in Len Brownell's original stock as a comparison would show a vast improvement. And there is plenty of room to improve that. Guess it wasn't the stock then.
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I have a 300 WM that came in a boat paddle stock. I shot it a lot and killed quite a bit with it. I got a Mickey for it from Karnis and bedded it for it. For a little test I took both stocks out shooting and swapped them out while at the range. Huge difference in felt recoil. The boat paddle ain't been on it since... I can believe that. Karnis redid the stock on my 98 Mauser a few yrs back. GOOD work and a GOOD person.
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I have a 300 WM that came in a boat paddle stock. I shot it a lot and killed quite a bit with it. I got a Mickey for it from Karnis and bedded it for it. For a little test I took both stocks out shooting and swapped them out while at the range. Huge difference in felt recoil. The boat paddle ain't been on it since... I can believe that. Karnis redid the stock on my 98 Mauser a few yrs back. GOOD work and a GOOD person. Very good person. Often wonder how he is doing and wish he was still on here.
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