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10-4 beretz, I'll switch over to those when I get all the Barnes 250's shot up. I heard those were darned good too. I just used the the 250 Woodies cause they shoot like crazy in my 71. Didn't see that pic before I posted, that sombitch looks good beretz, glad to hear they shoot well in your 348, I'm using RL-17 under the 250 gr. Barnes bullets. I dig 17 in the 348
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That will work, irons at 100?
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When and if I get to take trip out west partitions will go with me. For now I will load a 150 to 2700 and hunt deer
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Yes sir. Just a plain old Williams receiver sight.
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10-4 mjb, familiarization on deer and other game will make the big hunt cake, good luck too you!
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Perfect, there's an old factory similar bolt peep on the 348 I got from BSA, I can actually feel how hard and what the 348 is unleashing upon firing it, bet you can too, that old sombitch leaves with quite the attitude. LOL
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Perfect, there's an old factory similar bolt peep on the 348 I got from BSA, I can actually feel how hard and what the 348 is unleashing upon firing it, bet you can too, that old sombitch leaves with quite the attitude. LOL For sure. I dig that rifle. Favorite lever gun made. Bank vault is the on,y way to describe it.
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Yup, never hunted bear, but couldn't imagine what you couldn't go in after and root out safely and quickly with a 348 lever rifle so loaded, A man would damn sure have to keep his nuts gathered up tight during Go Time with one of those big bastards, no fu-k ups!
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Yes sir. Just a plain old Williams receiver sight. Nice, looks to be in about perfect shape. DF
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Yup, never hunted bear, but couldn't imagine what you couldn't go in after and root out safely and quickly with a 348 lever rifle so loaded, A man would damn sure have to keep his nuts gathered up tight during Go Time with one of those big bastards, no fu-k ups! For sure Gunner. Going toe to toe with the big bears is a dream I hope to make happen soon. DF, it has a couple of loving marks but otherwise in pretty great shape metal wise.
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Moose leg bones tend to be bigger and harder than any bones that bears have. So I tested a few some typical loads a few years ago by smashing unskinned lower leg bones.: 45-70 / 12 gauge A few more similar tests using a 45 Colt Redhawk vs moose leg bones. (Wet newspaper and/or pulp were the back-up stop material.) These were stout Colt loads; 23.0 grains W296 @1200 +/- fps The following are a 45-70 bullet test which show a few premiums fired into paint solids (a previously frozen 5 gallon bucket of latex paint which had "congealed"): l-r 400 Barnes Original, ???, 400 Swift A-Frame, 400 Woodleigh Weldcore
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
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Yes sir. Just a plain old Williams receiver sight. Sweet!
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Klik, you just have way too much fun!
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If I ever had the opportunity to hunt brown bear, I would go with a 9.3X62 with a 286gr Partition. The recoil doesn't seem bad at all.
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If I ever had the opportunity to hunt brown bear, I would go with a 9.3X62 with a 286gr Partition. The recoil doesn't seem bad at all. I would also add that if there is any difference between the 375 H&H / Ruger and the 9.3x62 it is minor as I have never been able to tell any difference in killing big bears
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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That's good to know Phil, as in my (limited) experience, the 375 H&H is just a little above my pain threshold when it comes to extended shooting. The 9.3X62 to me at least, is quite a bit more comfortable to fire.
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I have been hunting and target shooting in Alaska for the last 49 years. I knew/know several Bear guides. Some of them were Polar Bear guides in the old days. My wife's brother and "ex" worked for P&T. Most of those folks carried the typical Alaskan Hunting Rifle-- a short barreled Winchester M70 in .375 H&H. A lot like the guns that F&G used to issue to the "Fish Hawks", except the stocks were not painted red. Her brother Jimmy had a .358 Norma. Lately-say in the last 20 years, several of the guides have changed to a .416 or .458. Their comment is that they don't really kill any better, they do it with a wee more finality. I even knew an assistant guide who had a short barreled .460 Weatherby that had been mag-na-ported. I understand that the big bears made him somewhat nervous. I actually got to shoot that gun a few years ago. Not bad on the recoil, but "Big Flame". That being said, Those were guides who had to protect their hunters, so a "Stopping Rifle" is what they carried. Their hunters carried a variety of guns. The good old .30-06 or a .300 magnum probably being the most common. A gunsmith buddy of mine used his .35 Whelan and it worked extremely well. Kind of what Phil is trying to say, there is a difference in what the hunter carries and what his guide carries. As the hunter, you can carry what you use where you are from. Choose the proper bullet and practice a lot. The guide is there to back you up so that you have a "Bucket List" experience. Remember, you do have to know where to shoot the bear and then place your shot correctly. Favor Center.
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That's good to know Phil, as in my (limited) experience, the 375 H&H is just a little above my pain threshold when it comes to extended shooting. The 9.3X62 to me at least, is quite a bit more comfortable to fire. 9.3 is a bit easier on the shooter than .375 H&H, but to me a lot of that is subjective, depends on the gun, fit, weight, etc., etc. I traded my 9.3, kept the .375. I could shoot them both about the same, figured I'd use the .375 more, wouldn't worry about skinning it up, am more comfortable putting it where a fancy gun shouldn't go. 9.3 is a great round, more efficient than the .375, the latter maybe a bit more versatile. DF
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Yup, never hunted bear, but couldn't imagine what you couldn't go in after and root out safely and quickly with a 348 lever rifle so loaded, A man would damn sure have to keep his nuts gathered up tight during Go Time with one of those big bastards, no fu-k ups! For sure Gunner. Going toe to toe with the big bears is a dream I hope to make happen soon. DF, it has a couple of loving marks but otherwise in pretty great shape metal wise. No kidding, stalking and killing one of the great bears would be a campaign of lifelong dreams and massive respect!
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i don't know how much truth there is in this, but was told once this military surp was popular in bear country.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannlicher_M1895#Conversions the steyr 1895/30, or a 1895 straight pull cut down in 1920. 8x56R with a typical 200grain pill. they are kind of funky, and they do recoil. short in length. often wondered what in reality they would do to a bear. what is cool is the clip dropping down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx-uvD0AN8Qhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0kMFkhjN2Y
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