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#9335751 - 11/13/14 .223 Ackley  
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I just punched out my SPS Tactical with 20"/9tw to 223AI. Anyone have any pet loads with 55blitzkings/60vmax/62 varmageddon pills? I posted this over on the Hide, and response has been a little slow. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.


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#9336431 - 11/14/14 Re: .223 Ackley [Re: Huckleberry75]  
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As we all know...one load may work in my rifle...

But not yours....start with your previous max load from your

223 & work up...expect 1-2 more gr capacity..depending on brass

150-200 more fps...Redding or the Lee 223 collet die will get

you going...my AI runs best with H4895..Benchmark or 8208...

http://www.accurateshooter.com/cartridge-guides/223rem/

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^^^^^

What he said.


Mine likes 28.0 grains of IMR4895 with 55 grainers

or 28.5 gr. of H335 with the 55 gr TTSX ( this may give you excess pressure with a standard cnc)

Haven't done much with 60 grainers, though I can say it does like a mild load of 26 gr. of 4064 with a 60 gr.NBT


He spoke in tears of 15 years his dog and him traveled about. The dog up and died. She up and died....After 20 years he still grieves.
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Benchmark, 2015, have been fantastic in mine with 55's.

However, N135 will give you the same accuracy with 100 fps+ in velocity.

For giggles and grins, try some H335, you will not be unhappy with the results.

Use thick cup primers, Rem 7 1/2, CCIBR4, Wolf Magnum, CCI 450

YOu will get top velocities at peak pressures. For that reason, many of us 223 AI shootes get our firing pins bushed by Gre-Tan Rifles.

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+1 on H335and having the firing pin being bushed.

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In my CZ, I have pretty much settled on the 50gr Vmax over 28.5gr Benchmark. I know I could do a little better on speed, but the accuracy is phenomenal.

For bigger critters, up to deer, the 62gr Sierra SMP is my go to. Also over Benchmark, but I cant remember the load right off hand.

#11976467 - 04/16/17 Re: .223 Ackley [Re: Huckleberry75]  
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26.5gns of H4895 and a 60gn Nosler BT shoots bugholes.

In the new Beanland build, I am running 24.0gns of IMR8208XBR under an 80.5gn Berger and getting sub-1/4 moa groups while fire forming brass. Silly accurate.


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While discussing 223ai, I have about 1000 Black Hills factory loads.. If I rebarrel or rechamder to the ai fire forming would eliminate the need to have the cases trimmed for several firings.. Do I have that right?

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Originally Posted by WyoCoyoteHunter
While discussing 223ai, I have about 1000 Black Hills factory loads.. If I rebarrel or rechamder to the ai fire forming would eliminate the need to have the cases trimmed for several firings.. Do I have that right?


Correct.


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#11977417 - 04/17/17 Re: .223 Ackley [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter]  
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Originally Posted by WyoCoyoteHunter
While discussing 223ai, I have about 1000 Black Hills factory loads.. If I rebarrel or rechamder to the ai fire forming would eliminate the need to have the cases trimmed for several firings.. Do I have that right?


You NEED an AI WCH! laugh


He spoke in tears of 15 years his dog and him traveled about. The dog up and died. She up and died....After 20 years he still grieves.
#11977433 - 04/17/17 Re: .223 Ackley [Re: Huckleberry75]  
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They are small, he might need more than one. That was my logic, so I have 2.


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#11977619 - 04/17/17 Re: .223 Ackley [Re: Huckleberry75]  
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Ingwe, I know.. My old .222 is 8500 rounds old.. my cases for it are wearing out, . I was thinking of a rechander job in another 1500 rds. But may put a new tube on it w/ just a bit tighter twist.

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A tight twist deuce is a good thing......


He spoke in tears of 15 years his dog and him traveled about. The dog up and died. She up and died....After 20 years he still grieves.
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Originally Posted by WyoCoyoteHunter
Ingwe, I know.. My old .222 is 8500 rounds old.. my cases for it are wearing out, . I was thinking of a rechander job in another 1500 rds. But may put a new tube on it w/ just a bit tighter twist.


does the ole Duece have enough meat for a rechamber.......?

the 222 is a sweetheart......my only Duece is a 20/222

that will get your wheels turning...... grin

#11979153 - 04/17/17 Re: .223 Ackley [Re: Huckleberry75]  
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Tik, it does .. It is a Douglas #5.. I just wonder if it will remove enough worn steel to be worthwhile or just get a new tube.. the 20 sounds fun, but I have too many.22vcal. bullets to move to a .20..

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thats usualy the prob....too many components to swith....

new tube......10T......give them boolits more spin.....

#11981758 - 04/18/17 Re: .223 Ackley [Re: Huckleberry75]  
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I use 27grs. of Vithavouri N133 with a Sierra 50gr. Blitzking. Great shooting load.

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#11986185 - 04/20/17 Re: .223 Ackley [Re: Huckleberry75]  
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I burnt up a bunch of h335 in mine....that barrel i set back and rechambered t 222

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In a 9 twist, a guy might try the 75 hpbt with RL15 if you wanted to go heavier.

#11995911 - 04/25/17 Re: .223 Ackley [Re: Huckleberry75]  
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No pet loads for 9-twist but for context mine is a 12-twist and shoots the 60-gr V-Max's quite well and I use H335 because I have a lot of it. My 60-gr loads thusly loaded get 3450 in a 23" tube-plenty for my 300-yd shots in the farm country I live in. These do not read out as max in my rifle.

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George, Ive got a 1 in 12 twist that shoots 60 NBTs into little bugholes, even near sea level. Im using CFE223 and getting the same speed you are...


He spoke in tears of 15 years his dog and him traveled about. The dog up and died. She up and died....After 20 years he still grieves.
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The 60-grain Ballistic Tip was designed to stabilize reasonably well in a 1-12 twist--which is why it isn't much longer than the 55, and probably why its BC is only slightly better than the 55's.

Nosler, like many bullet makers, often suggests rifling twists faster than required for certain bullets, to make damn sure they stabilize. Which is probably why they lump the 60 BT into theier "60-62 grain. fast twist" data for the .223.


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Originally Posted by George_De_Vries_3rd

No pet loads for 9-twist but for context mine is a 12-twist and shoots the 60-gr V-Max's quite well and I use H335 because I have a lot of it. My 60-gr loads thusly loaded get 3450 in a 23" tube-plenty for my 300-yd shots in the farm country I live in. These do not read out as max in my rifle.


Those should perform quite well.


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
The 60-grain Ballistic Tip was designed to stabilize reasonably well in a 1-12 twist--which is why it isn't much longer than the 55, and probably why its BC is only slightly better than the 55's.

Nosler, like many bullet makers, often suggests rifling twists faster than required for certain bullets, to make damn sure they stabilize. Which is probably why they lump the 60 BT into theier "60-62 grain. fast twist" data for the .223.



Figured as much when I ran the numbers through the Berger Twist Rate stability link you gave me...it works!


He spoke in tears of 15 years his dog and him traveled about. The dog up and died. She up and died....After 20 years he still grieves.
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