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Are they the fix? Is it really that simple? I don't know, just asking. Its a good start. The last time I read a report on this issue the big problem was the supply of replacement transformers both at the local level and regional substations. Things may have changed in the last few years(doubt it) but there was no surplus of transformers. They were purchased as they were needed and there was only one company that supplied them. Damage to the more complicated electrical infrastructure would still a friggin' mess but at least the electric co.s could get power going again if there were enough transformers staged across the country that could be plugged back in. This would at least help with water treatment, pumping, sewage, possibly gas stations and truck fueling( food transport etc.). Otherwise we're SOL. Power companies are taxed on their inventories. That is why there are not greater numbers of replacement transformers stockpiled. The power plant I worked for had piles of boiler tubes inventoried because they got a deal on them when prices were low. They later sold all but a few because of taxes.
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http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...-report-us-remains-vulnerable-emp-attack"Baker told Congress that it would cost about $30 billion to harden power plants, electrical transmission and distribution lines, and their critical telecommunications and transportation systems against an EMP/GMD event." http://freebeacon.com/national-secu...threat-nuclear-emp-attack-electric-grid/"Protecting 200 to 700 critical transformers would cost $80 million to $280 million and additional protection against solar storms would cost between $8 million and $28 million, Harris said. "The combined cost would be about $1 dollar per person residing in the United States," he added. "Isn’t this a ‘best buy’ to prevent an enduring blackout that would risk loss of millions of lives and trillions of dollars in economic activity?"
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Found this Replacing a large transformer could take up to 18 months and would have to be procured from foreign suppliers, http://freebeacon.com/national-secu...threat-nuclear-emp-attack-electric-grid/
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Doesn't have to be. There's a great infrastructure project!!! MAGA
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There's a great infrastructure project!!! If we could build em with cheap mesican labor.
Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?"
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"they could care less about their civilian population"
GRAMMAR ERROR
I think you meant to say, "They could not care less about their civilian population."
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"they could care less about their civilian population"
GRAMMAR ERROR
I think you meant to say, "They could not care less about their civilian population."
Signed, Grammar Nazi Dear Grammar Nazi I meant what I posted. "They could care less about their civilian population". I speak 5 languages and English was not my first language.
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http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...-report-us-remains-vulnerable-emp-attack"Baker told Congress that it would cost about $30 billion to harden power plants, electrical transmission and distribution lines, and their critical telecommunications and transportation systems against an EMP/GMD event." http://freebeacon.com/national-secu...threat-nuclear-emp-attack-electric-grid/"Protecting 200 to 700 critical transformers would cost $80 million to $280 million and additional protection against solar storms would cost between $8 million and $28 million, Harris said. "The combined cost would be about $1 dollar per person residing in the United States," he added. "Isn’t this a ‘best buy’ to prevent an enduring blackout that would risk loss of millions of lives and trillions of dollars in economic activity?" Recommendations made in 2008. So dipchitt Obama sat on his hands.
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"they could care less about their civilian population"
GRAMMAR ERROR
I think you meant to say, "They could not care less about their civilian population."
Signed, Grammar Nazi Dear Grammar Nazi I meant what I posted. "They could care less about their civilian population". I speak 5 languages and English was not my first language. Uh, gotta agree with both of you. Schidt. "Could care less" = COULD give LESS schidts = I have the ability to care LESS (I grew up with this) "Couldn't care less" = Could not care less = I have literally no fugcks left to give (But this is correct) Best, GanjaFarmer
It's about like this:
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" I speak 5 languages and English was not my first language."
Well, what was your first language?
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There is this thing called a nuclear deterrent. They might be stupid,crazy but they are not going to have their country annihilated in a counter strike. It won't come from something we have that is land based either, but something that is swimming in the ocean. Do you really believe that the leaders of Iran or North Korea care what would happen to their citizens if they attacked the U.S. with a nuclear weapon? Kim Jong-Un is a dictator in the mold of Hitler, in that he is a delusional megalomaniac who exercises total control over everything and everyone in his country.
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Can't call the police. Who has a working flashlight to go see what the dog is barking at?
Food spoilage, then food shortage.
In winter, no heat.
Scary chit for sure. Not to mention the immediate breakdown in social restraint and roving bands of those who would take everything from you including your life. Reading the books reminded me of the more recent movie, The Book of Eli. It won't be the lone survivalists that might make it, it will be decent (but shall we say unrestrained/ non-liberal minded?) people banding together who might make it. Two good books dealing with this concept are "Alas, Babylon" (Nuclear) , and "The Earth Abides" (pandemic disease).
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On tv yesterday Ron Paul said we dont need to do anything. He said NK cant even turn their lights on. On Tucker.
Sucker is unreal.
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
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I'll give you a clue. They are roughly 3K miles across the Atlantic.
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There would be multiple fires everywhere. Any sophisticated aircraft would pile in. As almost 100% of the vehicles would be broken down there would people stranded everywhere without the beginning of necessities.
Just think if you were 60mi from home. It would four days walking without food, with weather vagaries, and who knows whom following you.
The cascade of problems becomes almost insurmountable.
Atheists would be saying the GD word, even though they dont believe. I thought Woolsey said a year ago it would take $4 billion to protect our grid. Now, the other alarm is that we could be taken out with computer hacking. As technology becomes the master, we approach disaster faster.
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
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After Im gone, I could Not care less.
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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For those that are "well prepared", how do you deal with the rifle-equipped bad guy at the tree line who will turn your head into a pink cloud when you walk to your wood pile? Everything you've amassed is now his.
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There is this thing called a nuclear deterrent. They might be stupid,crazy but they are not going to have their country annihilated in a counter strike. It won't come from something we have that is land based either, but something that is swimming in the ocean. Do you really believe that the leaders of Iran or North Korea care what would happen to their citizens if they attacked the U.S. with a nuclear weapon? Kim Jong-Un is a dictator in the mold of Hitler, in that he is a delusional megalomaniac who exercises total control over everything and everyone in his country. I think he is crazy but still has a strong self preservation instinct. He is beyond paranoid about dying.
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It's time...
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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I feel confident the Norks will first be targeted by the somewhat classified USAF “CHAMP,” or Counter-electronics High-powered Microwave Advanced Missile Project a joint U.S. Air Force and Boeing electromagnetic pulse weapon, capable of targeting and destroying electrical systems without the collateral damage often associated with traditional firepower.
R&D on this project has been ongoing since who knows when but apparently its been weaponized for some time. Major General Tom Masiello,"CHAMP is an operational system already in our tactical air force.”
You better be afraid of a ghost!!
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