Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Africa Largest game with .300 H&H Magnum?

Interesting,would still use the 300 gr Sierra for lions.

Bet it works like a charm on those monster NM Jackwabbits...

DF

Yup.

.300 H&H may be a tad light for those pesky critters, even 200 gr. NPT...

.375's marginal, rounds in the .4+ class, mo better...

DF

You can use any cartridge you want for wascally wabbits,as long as it starts with a .4XX.

I do have a .500 NE DB with 570 gr. Woodleigh solids for rabbits. Had a Jack-a-lope charge years ago. Wasn't pretty. Still have nightmares.

570 Woodies will surely overpenetrate...

.400's about right...

DF

Killed this cottontail at about 20-30 feet. I had the shakes for an hour.


Weatherby Mark V 460 Wby,used a 500 gr Hornady DGX.

I've only hunted game animals in Africa once, with my 300 H&H so loaded with 220 gr Partitions at 2750 I would most certainly shoot Eland, Zebra, Wildebeest and Lion, plus of course all the lesser species.

, You got bunny-fever!

Actually,need to take the .460 out again,it's been over a year since it has been used.

Gunner, just the appearance of you stalking those critters would put them away.

Like they said about Mad Dog Mattis, it was reported the General had a bear rug in his house. Rumor had it the bear wasn't really dead, just afraid to move...

DF

Was he charging or did you just slip up on him...?

I could see how you'd be all shook up...

DF

Dang right Elk, warm that barrel a little.

LOL, those game animals have it made with me, they say, great, here comes that old fat slow guy again ;]

He knew I was there,but stopped the charge just before it got real serious.

Bet he stopped short when he ran into that DGX.

A life changing encounter.

DF

A Dangerous Game Gun is like condoms and duct tape. Better to have too much than not enough. I always put an insurance shot in those bastards and never "admire the shot".

The problem of 'not enough' more often than not, has to do with not enough shooting skills rather than not enough gun.

WDM Bell wrote of people he hunted with using big bores than couldn't get the job done, Harry Selby wrote of inept clients with big bores-same problem,
and in our present times I still hear of furious PHs reporting that clients can't hit a 5 ton target with their .500cal

On the other hand, Bell wrote of a Sikh officer and his son killing 90 lions with a 7x57 and Selby successfully guided his 14 yo daughter onto
a bull to kill it with 7x57.

I am convinced some novices purposely carry big bores in the even they might need a 'stopper' and want to be the hero to save the day. This despite
the fact they don't even have skill and nerve to make that happen. You can kit yourself out to make it look like to the world you know what you are doing,
but when things go south, end up drilling your PH with a .458 Lott rather than the DG...re; Tim Herald.

It makes sense to use a calibre you can actually handle and most importantly, to leave the professional work to the professionals.

I have been asked a few times is I am a "small-bore man" because of the posts I have written here and on a few other forums.

No.

In fact, I actually like bigger calibers and heavier bullets.

But I like them.
I don't need them. (I intend to kill my elk this year with a 6.5 Mann/Scho)

I have enough hunting experience in the last 50 years, and over a LOT of ground, in a lot of different places to know what works welland what is "so-so".

As Starman said, "too little" is usually about skill. It's not about tools.

I have killed some large animals with smallish guns. Some of them were quite large. If I use a bullet that holds it's weight, I don't need uber-power, power and neither does anyone else.

This is a 2 edged sword. If you insist on killing large game with tiny guns you should shoot those guns VERY well. The good thing is that it's easier to learn to shoot VERY well with smaller guns than it is with very powerful ones.

So if a hunter misses the intended point of impact with a 223 by 6 inches I will agree that he'd be better off making the same miss of 6 inches with a 300 mag .

But if he can't shoot well and has poor shooting skills he's likely to miss by more then 6 inches.

If he misses by a foot or more, it's proof that it's not the gun or the bullet that's the problem. In all likelihood if he had a 260 Rem or even a 308 he'd probably bring home a lot more meat and trophies. Men that don't flinch may not be able to shoot "Camp Perry Groups" but they can hit a deer chest. And they do!

As I said, I like my big guns. I am on the 2nd barrel of my 375H&H. That gives some indication as to how much I like some of the big guns. I also have fired more 30 cal and larger bullet than I can count, many of which were 416", 423" and 458 caliber. But as a hunter, and a guide for many years, I have to agree with many of my fellow guides and say a LOT of magnum shooters are not skilled enough.

That's from 2 factors.
#1 the guns kick them and they don't practice enough to overcome the flinch they have.
#2 The ammo is costly and they don't spend (or can't spend) enough money to acquire the level of skill they should have.

To the readers who are considering a new rifle I can give one piece of overall advice that I think is 100% solid.
Never buy any hunting rifles you can't or won't learn to shoot well.

If you want a 460 Magnum, understand that to make that rifle work you have to be able to hit what you need to, and if that means you need to fire 500 (or more) rounds of ammo (factory or handloads,--- you're call) then you must factor the ammo cost and the time off, and travel to shoot, into the cost of the weapon.
If you cannot afford the time and the ammo, you should be buying a gun for the collection, but not for hunting.

You can have a room full of 338s, and 375s and 300 Ultra mags and that's great, but when you come out to the mountains for that special hunt, bring the rifle that you shoot best. That means the rifle you can hit realistic targets with most often, under less then perfect conditions, from prone, sitting kneeling and standing, and in time limits that are realistic.

I would rather guide a man who can hit an 8" target every time with a 260 in 8 seconds or less, then some guy that shows up with a big magnum who NEEDS the bi-pod on it, and has troubles hitting an 8" target at 75 yards in 8 seconds of less. I do not exaggerate. Try it. Full mag, 3-6 rounds (depending on what your rifle holds) on an 8" target at 75 yards offhand, and you have 8 seconds for each shot to make the hits. Any miss counts as zero. Any hit that hits in over 8 seconds from the last shot counts as zero. You may be surprised.

Many lost animals are not lost because they are missed, but are actually lost because the guns these guys bring out are about as slow to get into action as an 81MM Mortar, (and by the time you hike with me from 5,000 feet to 10,500 feet, you'll swear they are just as heavy.) They rush the shot because it took so long to get lined up and they miss or shoot badly. In some cases I have seen they don't even get time to squeeze the trigger.

They are not as expert with their tools as they need to be when it really counts.

Shooting skill is not just about group size and has NOTHING to do with groups shot from a bench rest.

Speed and accuracy are equal in importance. Seems today everyone wants to come out ready for the 500 yard (or more) shot that they can take 5 minutes to set up but the real truth is that when I get them into an elk heard it's going to be at 200 yards or less, and they may have 15 seconds or so.
Not always, but if you train for that kind of shooting and you do get more time you will be just fine.

If you are smooth and skilled with the gun you shoot best you'll be a LOT better off.

Power is good, but never try for power at the expense of accuracy on target in realistic time limits. You often have 8 to 15 seconds and that's a lot of time if you are smooth. It's not a lot of time if you need 10 seconds to get ready.

A good 26 caliber rifle with "elk bullets" is powerful enough for elk and a good 223 with good "deer bullets" is powerful enough for deer. Bigger is fine if you are fine with it. If not, use the smaller gun and get your shooting skill level up.