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It was just a std. pre-64 M-70.
The smith who fitted the barrel did the Borden's Bumps, trued the action.. He was into benchrest and LR target guns, offered to do the work and I let him. I don't know how much, if any, difference it makes on a hunting rifle, but thought it was sorta cool...
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I've never had a problem with any pre 64 winchester model 70 rifle. As BobinNH used to say, they were coddled enough at the factory that they always functioned as they were designed. However, the rifles I've had were barely used and shot. Most like new. I've even seen some that were carried a lot and shot a lot that still functioned as designed. I'm not sure I'm completely understanding your question I guess????? I will say that I Prefer an H&H action for damn near any magnum (short or long) build. As per the .473 case rifles, I don't think it really matters. Some prefer the pre war rifles, but if you are going semi-custom that really doesn't matter either. I guess if you have a preference to the 3 position wing safety, you'll want a post war or maybe the transition rifle trips your trigger.... What are you wanting exactly??? Please let us know, this isn't a rhetorical question.... In all honesty, my favorite thing to do is take a good fwt and throw it into a good stock and you are DONE.... Easy and simple, the way I like it...: ![[Linked Image]](http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x401/chiefbsa/IMG_0894_zpsypnvpenx.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x401/chiefbsa/IMG_0892_zpsco2l9yiy.jpg) It really doesn't get much better than this, for a hunting rifle.. Boy, I'm going to miss this one...  I like your rifle BSA! Thanks model 70 man. Sadly, it is going to a new home here in Oregon. The new owner said he wanted it because it was made on his birth year (1957). I'm going to miss this rifle, as it's truly been a damn good rifle. Probably one of the best I've had: Smooth, reliable, good looks and accurate. I was just playing around with some RL26 loads last month too and having fun with it. It's a great rifle and going to a good home...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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It was just a std. pre-64 M-70.
The smith who fitted the barrel did the Borden's Bumps, trued the action.. He was into benchrest and LR target guns, offered to do the work and I let him. I don't know how much, if any, difference it makes on a hunting rifle, but thought it was sorta cool...
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You're smith's interest explain the trigger. I have met Arnold Jewell, and his passion is benchrest as well.
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Actually the trigger was my doing. I ordered it from Brownells, fitted it myself before the action went to the smith.
But, you're right, he likes the Jewell, too.
The photo with Borden's Bumps was taken by him. That target is one he had, not one shot by this gun.
It will shoot half MOA out to 600 yds. Never shot it beyond 600. The Z5 scope helps.
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I think you can still maintain a certain amount of accuracy with a #2 (or less) contour, unless you are looking for gilt edged varmint rifle accuracy. Check out the picture of how my 338wm shoots and I believe it's a #2 contour or there abouts. She drives tacks... My ideal is for my rebuild to shoot as well as your 338 WM shoots in that picture. While there is not much difference, would the recommendation be for a number 2 contour over a number 3? If I am using a very lightweight stock the number 2 would certainly be more in line but the extra weight carried in the barrel might help me with a steadier hold.
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Like the others have said, a #2 contour is likely a better choice. Any accuracy advantage of a #3 would be negated by a gun that is just too heavy to enjoy.
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I went with a number 3 contour on my build, wish I would have went lighter.....
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I went with a number 3 contour on my build, wish I would have went lighter..... I think that is how we learn, or we can learn from others mistakes. I know BobinNH used to run skinny tubes and be perfectly content with them. I don't buy into the barrel heavy aspect of things, as I've shot a whole hell of a lot of offhand and don't prefer a long heavy barrel for this position or any other field position, unless the rifle is being supported by a good rest. For a packing around and using rifle, the rifle needs to be balanced and feel right in the hands, not trying to weigh me down as I pull the trigger....  Where I like the fulcrum is right at the front action screw: ![[Linked Image]](http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x401/chiefbsa/IMG_0716_zpsqlkbhtrq.jpg)
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Nice shop; I like it..
You have that scope mounted in a really forward position. Do you stock crawl, have a long neck, etc.?
Nice rifle, too...
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Be careful as not all companies follow the hard and fast contour numbers. A Bartlein #2 is much heavier than a Krieger so you may want to measure the muzzle diameter just to make sure you're getting what you want.
BSA, I CANNOT believe you are getting rid of that 270.... Son of a gun that's a great rifle.
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I agree with BSA For years I read that you need a muzzle heavy gun to shoot well off hand. Well I found I shoot my 6.25lb M700Ti much better off hand than my muzzle heavy guns. Seems as though holding up the muzzle heavy guns causes muscles to fatigue and begin to quiver. So I wrote that off as just more old gun lore that gets repeated over and over again. And BSA I cant believe you are parting with that 270 either. Have you lost your mind? Oh, and BSA a clean shop is a sign of a sick mind or something like that? Ha Ha
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I agree with BSA For years I read that you need a muzzle heavy gun to shoot well off hand. Well I found I shoot my 6.25lb M700Ti much better off hand than my muzzle heavy guns. Seems as though holding up the muzzle heavy guns causes muscles to fatigue and begin to quiver. So I wrote that off as just more old gun lore that gets repeated over and over again. And BSA I cant believe you are parting with that 270 either. Have you lost your mind? Oh, and BSA a clean shop is a sign of a sick mind or something like that? Ha Ha You are making me laugh my friend. I agree with you on all accounts.  .. By the way, my shop is even more spruced up now. ... Just don't tell anyone.. 
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Nice shop; I like it..
You have that scope mounted in a really forward position. Do you stock crawl, have a long neck, etc.?
Nice rifle, too...
DF Thanks buddy.. Right on all accounts.. 
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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You will be hard pressed to built another rifle that improves on that fwt 270.
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You will be hard pressed to built another rifle that improves on that fwt 270. The new owner really wants it because it was made the same year he was born. I think it will be going to just the right person. We have a deal made to meet this wednesday at a local gunshop. He's also a member here. Seems to be a good guy. What I keep telling myself is I still have a great fwt 30-06...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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How about a twist to this conversation?
I really hate to disassemble a pre 64 even though I think it would give me a very accurate rifle rebuilt
the way I want to do it and incorporating some ideas expressed above.
I also have a Winchester Extreme Weather that is a BACO rifle. I think it was made in 2011. What
would the opinion be on taking that action, re-barreling it with a Kreiger either #2 or #3 contour and
putting it in a McMillan stock?
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How about a twist to this conversation?
I really hate to disassemble a pre 64 even though I think it would give me a very accurate rifle rebuilt
the way I want to do it and incorporating some ideas expressed above.
I also have a Winchester Extreme Weather that is a BACO rifle. I think it was made in 2011. What
would the opinion be on taking that action, re-barreling it with a Kreiger either #2 or #3 contour and
putting it in a McMillan stock?
Great actions to build off. The few I've seen built (264 WSM, 6.5-06, 30-06) were all very nice. I doubt you'd hate it.
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How about a twist to this conversation?
I really hate to disassemble a pre 64 even though I think it would give me a very accurate rifle rebuilt
the way I want to do it and incorporating some ideas expressed above.
I also have a Winchester Extreme Weather that is a BACO rifle. I think it was made in 2011. What
would the opinion be on taking that action, re-barreling it with a Kreiger either #2 or #3 contour and
putting it in a McMillan stock?
Great actions to build off. The few I've seen built (264 WSM, 6.5-06, 30-06) were all very nice. I doubt you'd hate it. +1 You'd never hate that decision... I'd go #2 Krieger. After all, it's not a collector grade Pre-64. DF
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How about a twist to this conversation?
I really hate to disassemble a pre 64 even though I think it would give me a very accurate rifle rebuilt
the way I want to do it and incorporating some ideas expressed above.
I also have a Winchester Extreme Weather that is a BACO rifle. I think it was made in 2011. What
would the opinion be on taking that action, re-barreling it with a Kreiger either #2 or #3 contour and
putting it in a McMillan stock?
Great actions to build off. The few I've seen built (264 WSM, 6.5-06, 30-06) were all very nice. I doubt you'd hate it. +1 You'd never hate that decision... I'd go #2 Krieger. After all, it's not a collector grade Pre-64. DF Where's redneck when you need him to come to the MOA trigger conversation side of things. I liked my 30-06 EW, but didn't love it like I love my 30-06 fwt made in 1956, if that tells you anything...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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How about a twist to this conversation?
I really hate to disassemble a pre 64 even though I think it would give me a very accurate rifle rebuilt
the way I want to do it and incorporating some ideas expressed above.
I also have a Winchester Extreme Weather that is a BACO rifle. I think it was made in 2011. What
would the opinion be on taking that action, re-barreling it with a Kreiger either #2 or #3 contour and
putting it in a McMillan stock?
Great actions to build off. The few I've seen built (264 WSM, 6.5-06, 30-06) were all very nice. I doubt you'd hate it. +1 You'd never hate that decision... I'd go #2 Krieger. After all, it's not a collector grade Pre-64. DF Where's redneck when you need him to come to the MOA trigger conversation side of things. I liked my 30-06 EW, but didn't love it like I love my 30-06 fwt made in 1956, if that tells you anything... For sure BSA. I use Classics or P64's, but honestly if a guy likes it they can be tweaked to be pretty good. We are snobs though, so that makes a difference to us, some guys don't care or know the difference so they live in bliss.. They are solid actions and the few smiths I have spoken to said they didn't need to do much machining at all to make them square. Don't know if that was an anomaly or just the way it is, but the ones I have shot were literally shooters, as good or better than my stuff.
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