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#12036819 - 05/16/17 Well, I just did it !  
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On the very cusp of a road trip to Big Timber, or at least an expensive phone call...what do I find in 123 Pawn Walla Walla but a fine Shiloh carbine with my list of wants and some better than I deserve lumber. 45/2 1/10 " barrel sights shotgun stock. A transition gun. C.Sharps on the Badger and Shiloh on the reciever...and no waiting at an are you kidding me price. APDSN0864 is here with me, even though he is a thirty inch barrel kind of rifleman, even he thinks it is a looker. I like everything about high walls except I am never quite sure how to grip the S lever.. Nothing wrong with an 1875 either but when the stars align...what is a feller to do? Oh, most certainly it safe under my bed where I can feel the blue steel and big side hammer. I feel like Ralph and his Red Rider.


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#12036838 - 05/16/17 Re: Well, I just did it ! [Re: Uncas]  
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#12036848 - 05/16/17 Re: Well, I just did it ! [Re: Uncas]  
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Resident status with a tag for everything but sheep and goat. Working salmon smolt project on the Snake River...brought Ed along for a change of pace.


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#12037237 - 05/17/17 Re: Well, I just did it ! [Re: Uncas]  
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#12037336 - 05/17/17 Re: Well, I just did it ! [Re: Uncas]  
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Back in Texas, for good!
Congrats indeed!


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#12037358 - 05/17/17 Re: Well, I just did it ! [Re: Uncas]  
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You couldn't have better company than Ed, to many letters, when traveling or shopping for guns. tell Ed, hello from S. Texas. Rio7

#12037458 - 05/17/17 Re: Well, I just did it ! [Re: Uncas]  
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We have taught together, fished, fenced, plumbed, gun smithed about twenty years now. If he could just overcome his shyness.


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#12037648 - 05/17/17 Re: Well, I just did it ! [Re: Uncas]  
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Good score smile

I saw a Dakota Mini-sharps last weekend, in .38-55, a trim lovely little thing with a no-so-trim price. I'd love to have it, but it will have to wait a while....


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#12037666 - 05/17/17 Re: Well, I just did it ! [Re: Uncas]  
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#12037758 - 05/17/17 Re: Well, I just did it ! [Re: Uncas]  
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No opinions, preferences at all. A real bore.


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#12041278 - 05/18/17 Re: Well, I just did it ! [Re: Uncas]  
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Originally Posted by Uncas
No opinions, preferences at all. A real bore.


And a small bore at that... grin

Gents, Bill has a real prize. Four digit Shiloh serial # (1700 range), extra fancy wood, and the fit & finish we expect to find on a Shiloh Sharps. It's been shot, but not much, carried very little, and shows honest stock dings from briskly ejected brass.

We cleaned a very small amount of BP fouling from the action that appeared to have been coated in RIG. NO rust at all, anywhere.

It has the normal cast bullet leade, not the 7 degree, but she should still shoot.

Interestingly enough, we visited LOMO Gun & Pawn in Lewiston, ID today, and they were moving an early Shiloh Saddlering Carbine Model 1863 in .54 caliber while we were in there. Tough to let that one out of my hands, but I have enough on my plate right now.

I'm "helping" Bill get all of his "necessities" together so he can enjoy this addiction as much as I do. grin

What are friends for???

Ed


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#12041375 - 05/19/17 Re: Well, I just did it ! [Re: Uncas]  
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You want to watch Ed, he goes crazy in Pawn Shops, been there done that with him . sounds like you guy's are having a great time. Rio7

#12043052 - 05/19/17 Re: Well, I just did it ! [Re: Uncas]  
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Serial range is 71xx. Ed is a charter member of the DDA. Dislexia Association of America, and he is my sponsor, too!


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Originally Posted by Uncas
Serial range is 71xx. Ed is a charter member of the DDA. Dislexia Association of America, and he is my sponsor, too!


Actually, it's ADA, Drunks Against Dyslexics.

Blue, speaking of pawn shop guns, have you shot that High Standard yet?

Ed


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#12043247 - 05/20/17 Re: Well, I just did it ! [Re: Uncas]  
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Originally Posted by Uncas
On the very cusp of a road trip to Big Timber, or at least an expensive phone call...what do I find in 123 Pawn Walla Walla but a fine Shiloh carbine with my list of wants and some better than I deserve lumber. 45/2 1/10 " barrel sights shotgun stock. A transition gun. C.Sharps on the Badger and Shiloh on the reciever...and no waiting at an are you kidding me price. APDSN0864 is here with me, even though he is a thirty inch barrel kind of rifleman, even he thinks it is a looker. I like everything about high walls except I am never quite sure how to grip the S lever.. Nothing wrong with an 1875 either but when the stars align...what is a feller to do? Oh, most certainly it safe under my bed where I can feel the blue steel and big side hammer. I feel like Ralph and his Red Rider.
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#12087232 - 06/12/17 Re: Well, I just did it ! [Re: Uncas]  
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#12087238 - 06/12/17 Re: Well, I just did it ! [Re: APDDSN0864]  
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#12093557 - 06/16/17 Re: Well, I just did it ! [Re: APDDSN0864]  
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Very nice.


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#12100341 - 06/19/17 Re: Well, I just did it ! [Re: Uncas]  
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Nice rifle ! Congrafualtions on the pruchase.

Here are a few insights as to what you actually own..

I actually made many trips through Big Timber in the mid 1980s and 1990s and have owned my share of Shilohs , so I know a bit about the guns.
Wolfgang Droege who founded and owned Shiloh spent a bit if time over those vists explaining to me how the guns wete made at that time and why they were marked as they were .

Your gun is not a "transititional" gun but a normal run of the mill Big Timber , MT Shiloh made from about 1980 to around 1987 when Shiloh and C Sharps split their partnership.

The guns themselves were made almost enitirely at the Shiloh plant. They were then stamped C. Sharps Arms on the barrel by John Schoffstall as C .Sharps was the exclusive distributor of the Shiloh rifles until about 1987

They had either Douglas barrels (milled octagon from round blanks) or were rifled right in the Shiloh plant by Wolfgangs crew in the Shiloh plant. Badger barrels did not even exist when your rifle was made. Ernie Stallman was working for Boots Obermyer until about 1991.

Does the barrel have the OLD RELIABLE stamp on the top barrel flat?




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#12100424 - 06/19/17 Re: Well, I just did it ! [Re: Uncas]  
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Yes, it is stamped Old Reliable on the top flat. The barrel is an eight groove 1X4 I took it for a Douglas at first, but it looks like a cut, lapped affair, very nice looking at that.


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#12100472 - 06/19/17 Re: Well, I just did it ! [Re: Uncas]  
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Are the lands pretty narrow compared to the grooves? If so ,its definitely a Douglas.

A Douglas .45 cal barrel is still fully capable of winning any BPCR champouonship in this land if its fitted chambered properly.
I have seen way too many Douglas and Green Mountain tubes beat the pants off of Badgers, Kreigers etc to believe otherwise.
For that matter, I have seen several factory Pedersoli barrels do the same thing:)

Once they started making their own barrels Wolfgang had to work pretty hard just to match the quality of the Douglas blanks he used early on.
He told me his biggest issue wirh Douglas was delivery times and internal dimensions of some if the smaller calibers like the 38s and 40s.


Any " Droege era" Shiloh is a gun built under the watchfull eye of a Master German Tool and Die maker. Wolf was a hell of a machinist.

#12103400 - 06/21/17 Re: Well, I just did it ! [Re: Uncas]  
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My LRE is 70xx and was made in the fall of 1985. I believe you have a Saddle rifle model sans the cheek piece. I have one near like it from 1987 time period 79xx 26" std oct barrel in 40-70-2.1" BN. They really had nice wood back then. Your butt plate matches the one on my LRE. My Saddle gun has Shiloh on the receiver and barrel as well as the Ol Reliable tm. Mine shoots well so will yours. goodluck MB


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