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Jesus Christ, are there no real issues you can single out and tackle? laughing My thoughts Sam. Rome is burning and this? Are YOU guys serious??? This is yet another big government socialist Democrat program that will cost Billions and will NEVER go away. Yeah, nothing to see here, move along. Sheesh. I guess more welfare and government spending is just fine as long as it's proposed by "our guy". This attitude is exactly why this county will be a full fledged socialist nation in the near future.
"Hey jackass, get your government off my freedom." MOLON LABE
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Jesus Christ, are there no real issues you can single out and tackle? laughing My thoughts Sam. Rome is burning and this? Are YOU guys serious??? This is yet another big government socialist Democrat program that will cost Billions and will NEVER go away. Yeah, nothing to see here, move along. Sheesh. I guess more welfare and government spending is just fine as long as it's proposed by "our guy". This attitude is exactly why this county will be a full fledged socialist nation in the near future. I think you completely miss their point and are seeking a fight with people that agree with you.
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Jesus Christ, are there no real issues you can single out and tackle? laughing My thoughts Sam. Rome is burning and this? Are YOU guys serious??? This is yet another big government socialist Democrat program that will cost Billions and will NEVER go away. Yeah, nothing to see here, move along. Sheesh. I guess more welfare and government spending is just fine as long as it's proposed by "our guy". This attitude is exactly why this county will be a full fledged socialist nation in the near future. I think you completely miss their point and are seeking a fight with people that agree with you. I don't know. "Rome is burning and this" sounds like they are minimizing the issue to me too. Trump may have a blond comb over but his Democrat roots are showing.
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Bob, no companies pay for vacation time or this. They pay their people less than they would have paid them with no paid vacation time. Bottom line, employees pay for their own vacation time in the form of lower effective salaries. But I agree, the government has no business whatsoever getting involved in this. If people make a choice to have kids, that's THEIR choice. If I choose to not have kids, I shouldn't have to work my ass off every day so they can get paid to not work. There's a name for that- socialist welfare. Exactly. I did some costing for a company. Before hiring anyone I calculated how much he would cost for a year including break time, stalling time, vacation time, company matching, and anything else I could think of. Then I figured that cost and came up with a wage. If the guy was paid by the minute and never took a break and never stalled and never vacationed and didn't cost the company with its matching funds, the company could pay him more.
"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation." Everyday Hunter
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Exactly. I did some costing for a company. Before hiring anyone I calculated how much he would cost for a year including break time, stalling time, vacation time, company matching, and anything else I could think of. Then I figured that cost and came up with a wage. If the guy was paid by the minute and never took a break and never stalled and never vacationed and didn't cost the company with its matching funds, the company could pay him more.
Duh.
Let's Go Brandon! FJB
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In many cases those that can't make it on one income can't afford to raise kids and are unwilling to adjust their lifestyle to do so. If mom's working then the child goes into daycare, add the cost of an additional vehicle and insurance etc and often that second job costs more than it's worth.
There were many things we didn't do or buy to raise kids on one income.
Absofreakinglutely! People can't make it on one income because they choose not too. Gotta buy all that crap!
I am MAGA.
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It's become one of the newest benefits many private companies are offering, at least in my area of high tech.
It's about as common as paid vacation time.
That doesn't mean the government should have a fund for it and force it. As with any benefit, it should be a private company decision. Bingo^^^^^^^^^ Looks like ya'll are finally waking up to the fact that the Trump clan have always been Dems..... Don't get me wrong...he's better than Hildog but that's a pretty low bar.
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In many cases those that can't make it on one income can't afford to raise kids and are unwilling to adjust their lifestyle to do so. If mom's working then the child goes into daycare, add the cost of an additional vehicle and insurance etc and often that second job costs more than it's worth.
There were many things we didn't do or buy to raise kids on one income.
Absofreakinglutely! People can't make it on one income because they choose not too. Gotta buy all that crap!As if that isn't bad enough, in many cases it comes at the additional expense of a pile of interest on credit besides.
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
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Well we have the family leave act already. I have to admit that I do have some empathy for the OP because not having kids it has occurred to me that I have paid the same family insurance premium for my wife and I as did the lady with 4 kids who seemed to miss work at least 2x a week because one of the kids had the sniffles. Likewise when I get my utility, phone, cable bills and note there is about 20% of the total going to the school system. One just has to remind themselves that's the cost of living in the US. I do sometimes get a bit amused by some of the rhetoric here on the fire by the I can't stand the people sucking off the government folks yet their kids go to school, they drive the public roads, their electricity and water lines were likely made avalilable thru the rural electrification program they buy groceries that are subsidized thru the Dept of Agriculture and hunt deer managed by the fish and wildlife agencies etc. etc.
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The first and primary responsibility of any nation to insure its continuity, is to provide for the next generation.
A patriot will insist the kids of his nation are schooled and fed, That should be the primary responsibility of any tax program, ahead even of defense, and transportation.
That said, the schools should have never been allowed to become communist indoctrination centers, and parents do bear the primary responsibility of providing for their progeny.
Yes, FMLA is already law. And I think that is extreme over-reach by the fed. But it should be noted FMLA time is not paid time. FMLA only provides that you will still have a job available when you come back to work, provided you come back within the time frame alloed by FMLA.
IMHO any person who wants paid time off with children should negotiate that benefit as part of the pay package. He might have to work for $10/hr if he wants to take a quarter of each year as vacation.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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My wife used it when her mother had stage 4 cancer. It sure help both emotionally & financially. That was 15 years ago. She took 1/2 days for 6 months.
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Great idea, in the private sector. There is absolutely no need for this to be a govt program.
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