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The Army Corps of Engineers was involved so :

http://www.redding.com/story/news/2017/05/23/farmer-faces-2-8-million-fine-plowing-field/336407001/

This is plain bull s%it.

They have no right to keep him from making a living on his own land.

I sure hope that someone higher up in the new .gov gets him some relief.

One reason i do not want nor seek anything from the .gov.
Once they get a foot hold anywhere they don't leave or have your interests at heart.
Scum sucking folks right there.

These are the kinds of things that make people hate government. I wish the farmer good luck as it's cali and he'll need all the luck he can get.

Absolute NONSENSE! This is big government at it's near worst . Government can. and has been nothing short of dreadful.

Complete BS

Some agencies are out of control. Some years ago I read about a family farm in NE that had been farmed continually for 140 years. Then the parents died and none of the kids wanted to farm it. It sat fallow for about 10 years until one of the sons decided to farm it. Big mistake. After he plowed it, the EPA came roaring in saying that one field was a wetland. There was no water on it or anywhere near it. But, apparently some birds had carried in seeds of some kind of wetland grass that had taken hold. It was an official wetland without water. I never heard how it got resolved.

Agenda 21.

When is that giant can of whoopass gonna get opened up?

This is why we can't allow Democrats in control ever again.

Let's take it a step further and run the UN out of the country with a stern and sincere warning.

I thought the clean water act was repealed by trump.

They have no idea of the seething anger that lies underneath with people that they think are just going to continue to go along with all this kind of crap. I have a governor on me that would stop me from doing some things, many people don't and I'm afraid there will come a day the ones oppressing and attacking from all sides, will find that out. There is a limit that a free people will put up with.

He was charged in 2013. That was when the obama [bleep] was in charge.

2011 the Army Corps of Engineers fuucked up and couldn't handle the Missouri River.


Big ass mess from Montana to Missouri.



I forget how many agencies and permits and waiting just to move a sanded in pump-site up river.



The actual people that came out to take a look were all cool.

spot on

He doesn't have the authority. Only congress can do it. Trump can restrict enforcement of regulations, though.

Did you read the whole article? The farmer is dealing with the feds on this, nothing to do with California.

Ha! The Obama precedent says he can ignore any law he chooses to ignore.

You guys need to take a step back and take a breath. I'm not going to pretend to know everything behind this, but there's a LOT more than what's stated in just the short article.

99.9% chance this individual is involved in a government program and to be facing a fine that large, they are a pretty big operation. These fines go back to any benefits they have received on all of their land back to the year the conversion happened.

They way this will play out is they'll be given a chance to either buy wetland credits (no different than a Walmart being placed on a swamp, they buy wetland credits somewhere else and drain the swamp they want to build on) or more than likely they will be given a chance to break whatever tile they installed and essentially go from there.

Moral of the story, if you want to participate in a government program than you have to follow the rules.

I own a farm, and have to sign documents at the local USDA (FSA) office every year. If you are involved in any of the programs that the agency offers, then you will sign a paper stating that among other things, you won't damage wetlands. I think the "wild card" is what is, or isn't, considered to be wetlands. I've seen farmers here clean up and tile land that I thought was way too wet for farming, and turn it into good farmland. I've also seen land that has to be left alone because it was wetlands. never could see much difference.

We as farmers have to double world food supply in the next 25 years or so to feed the growing population....and they are still pulling this crap...
Around here we have a sod buster rule....not sure how it works but you need gov aprouval to break out new ground...our ground has all Ben in production for years so no worries.....we just went to a meeting on wetlands.....Same thing there......