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To quote Steelhead, "The 6.5 Creedmore is the best cartridge introduction in the last 20 years". He is right.
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Nothing wrong at all with it. It's a mild recoiling very capable deer hunting cartridge in a world already filled with mild recoiling very capable deer hunting cartridges. Next thing you know somebody is going to come out with the 17.5 gauge shotgun throwing a perfectly square load of 31/32 oz of shot. Carrys like a 20 ga hits like a 16. The action and barrels are perfectly proportioned so that you can pose even more stylishly with it over your shoulder holding it by the barrels while wearing your favorite shootin toggs.
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Let's see how a 6.5 130gr Nosler BT muzzle velocity of 2900fps(I don't know if it gets this velocity,I don't own one) compares to my obsolete 30-06 with 168gr Nosler BT muzzle velocity 3036fps(mine will get this) out to 1000yds with a 200yd zero.
You lost me at 6.5 130 grain Ballistic Tip.
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Hornady listens to their customers and they feel your pain...
They understand that many folks just don't "get" the 6.5 Creedmore, so they have come up with a new and improved round a 6.5 Creedmore Special Magnum just for you guys.
The 264 PRC
Just wait until you see it...
It's like a 6.5 Creedmore on steroids...
Coming soon to a forum near you.
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Why would anyone shoot a 6.5 bullet with a BC of only .488?
Anybody that actually shoots understands the merits of low recoil coupled with high BC bullets. Run those numbers with a real bullet...
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I have a Pre-64 Model 70 WM in .264 WM, a 6.5x284 Custom Norma, and a 260 Rem Custom, and just bought a LAW in 6.5 Creedmoor. The LAW Creedmoor is the best shooting rifle of the bunch.
What's not to like?
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Let's see how a 6.5 130gr Nosler BT muzzle velocity of 2900fps(I don't know if it gets this velocity,I don't own one) compares to my obsolete 30-06 with 168gr Nosler BT muzzle velocity 3036fps(mine will get this) out to 1000yds with a 200yd zero. You chose the wrong bullets for both your 30-06 and 6.5. Hornady offers a FACTORY loaded 6.5 Creedmoor 147 gr match bullet with a BC of .697 that leaves the muzzle at 2700 fps. At 1000 yards it is still almost 1600 fps with over 800 ft lbs energy with 288" drop. Handily beating your 30-06 load with an additional 234 fps, nearly 300 additional ft lbs energy,18" less drop, and with almost 1/2 the recoil. BTW, if you had chosen the 178gr Hornady bullet at 2850 from your 30-06 the numbers would be almost identical at 1000 yards. Except for the recoil.
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Is LAW stiill in business? I thought I read somewhere that they went out.......Hb
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Why would anyone shoot a 6.5 bullet with a BC of only .488?
People that kill deer at modest ranges. Does anyone hunt anymore or just circle-jerk concerning BC's?
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Im sorry but I dont get the Creedmore craze either, I have never been a recoil wuss....maybe the less powder thing but if you figure the money I put into My rifles and shooting saving a little powder seems kind of insignifincant...What I can see is buying another rifle to play with cause you want too...Ha!......Hb I have never found a good reason not to buy another rifle. Despite having a couple dozen perfectly good 6.5mm bore rifles, I bought a 6.5 Creedmoor in 2014 and finding that I like the cartridge, I now have seven of them.
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Is the Creedmore like the Creedmoor?
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only problem i have with creedmoor is the fact that i cant see how it is superior to the comparatively ancient .260
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The 30'06 is the most overrated cartridge ever. You can get a lot better performance with today's cartridges with less powder and recoil. And it certainly doesn't take that much gun to kill a deer.
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only problem i have with creedmoor is the fact that i cant see how it is superior to the comparatively ancient .260 I can think of two (2) reasons why the 6.5 Creedmoor is superior to the comparatively ancient 260 Remington: 1. Rifle manufactures are cutting their 6.5 Creedmoor barrels with the proper 1-8" ROT. 2. Ammunition manufactures are making accurate factory ammo, so the guy who doesn't reload has access to quality ammunition.
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Why would anyone shoot a 6.5 bullet with a BC of only .488?
People that kill deer at modest ranges. Does anyone hunt anymore or just circle-jerk concerning BC's? Do you shoot the other 51 weeks a year? Shoot steel at 1000yds and you'll realize there are a lot better bullets. I shoot the same bullet year round, and I can assure you a .620 BC bullet kills at 100yds too...
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Part of the attraction is excellent factory ammo and cheap accurate rifles. Not everyone wants to have to do a build and load development for good performance. I don't have one, and as I've said a time or ten, have the niche pretty well surrounded by other stuff, but if I were starting out or starting over after a fire or theft, the Creedmoor just might do it all for me, although it's not a good fit in my favorite Mausers.
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Gee,I wonder how this 30cal would do. 30 Cal .308 225 gr ELD® Match BC .777
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only problem i have with creedmoor is the fact that i cant see how it is superior to the comparatively ancient .260 I can think of two (2) reasons why the 6.5 Creedmoor is superior to the comparatively ancient 260 Remington: 1. Rifle manufactures are cutting their 6.5 Creedmoor barrels with the proper 1-8" ROT. 2. Ammunition manufactures are making accurate factory ammo, so the guy who doesn't reload has access to quality ammunition. 3. The Creedmoor was designed with throating and case geometry such that sleek VLD bullets could be seated so they weren't jumping a mile to the lands, so that the case mouths aren't over the ogives of the seated bullets, and so the loaded cartridges would fit into and feed properly from a 2.8" magazine length all at the same time.
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Why would anyone shoot a 6.5 bullet with a BC of only .488?
People that kill deer at modest ranges. Does anyone hunt anymore or just circle-jerk concerning BC's? Do you shoot the other 51 weeks a year? Shoot steel at 1000yds and you'll realize there are a lot better bullets. I shoot the same bullet year round, and I can assure you a .620 BC bullet kills at 100yds too... I'm not denying that and understand the principle(s) quite well - thanks. I'm saying it's a non-factor for the larger percentage but someone ALWAYS has to make it THE factor for conversation.
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I'm gonna neck down my thermos jug to a phonograph needle! Expected FPS=12,500
Oh schitt.....you guys don't know about 'phonograph needles'!!
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