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Next in line would be the....

.22 CF - appeals to regular folks

or

22x15 CF - snooty American shooters

or

5.7X15 - for the Euro weenies

I had no idea we were trying to appeal to regular folks.

Loonies, certainly.

How'z about .22 O.A.? Obamy Antidote...

Given the inevitable velocity loss that Winter brings, with cast lubricated bullets, it would be CRAZY not to add in a "Chilly Dog" loading.

Ringman,.....you know this over pressure crap in and out,....care to comment.

gnohaaa,.....you've no IDEA how deep I had to scrounge into what passes for a reefer here,....looking for a frozen hot dog.
....on your head be it , if the dried up, singularly unappetizing freezer fossil does me in.

GTC

Sorry fellas; been casting .251 1--30 airgun pellets and Ive been glaring at a .225 Magma die and punch.

WTF is this thread in regards to?

Greasing thine own balls?

.22 Sniffle

I've been on vacation, and had time to think about this.

A single shot action, like an H&R with a .223 barrel, and a 7/16OD .251 liner which can be had for $6/inch puts me in the 25ACP alternative really easy. Slight mod with an extractor. but after that, its all head space and chambering.

If I want to get cute, a Remington No 4 with the Potterfield firing pin mod will do as well.

Methinks I just pessed me sharts laffin'.....I like.

RWE, that might just be entirely too simple. Just sayin'.

Weak, and silly perhaps,.....don't know about "cute",.....

GTC

Present it to the masses in a plebian platform such as the H&R break open, and let we loonies graft it into more elegant venues such as small Martinis, kiplaufs, LowWalls, etc.

For "the masses" to take to it will take a super-simple means to load for it as well as cheap factory ammo, not to mention another protracted shortage of .22 rimfire stocks. In the end I fear it'll boil down a handful of we old farts scattered across the country snubbing our noses at contemporary sensibilities. But, stranger things have happened.

Bread and circus edition.

Now we've come to a use for all those Rossi 22/410 combos.

Sleeve the 410, and pirate the 22LR ejector from the other barrel. A little file work, some chambering, and chaching.

I'm sure liking the idea of a thick walled, "everlasting" honker of a case, with an internal "shelf" whereupon a proper flat based bullet can settle in well aligned repose. Can't BELIEVE that DD is talking heeled bullets,...I see them as case killers, myself.
Seriously looking at .32 cal, in I.D. sleeved .38 cases,......silver soldering the sleeves in was the original thoughts, but I'm now looking at some super tough ceramic filled epoxy that should pack the gear , as far as assembling the case components.
.......once the sleeves are prototyped, tested, proven,.....I'd be looking for a small job shop running a CNC Swiss screw machine with bar feed,.....hopefully using off the shelf thick wall tube stock.

GTC

Would the epoxy be too brittle to allow for re-sizing the case?

Henry Single Shot.

The whole idea , and definition of an everlasting case is one that is formed or machined to final dimensions, and than NEVER touched with any sort of tool again. I've made them out of very economical, dreamy to machine 12L14 STEEL,.....the ONLY reason for sleeving an existing .32, or 38 BRASS case is that one can avail himself of standard SAAMI reamers, ....reground and piloted for the appropriate bore size,.....none of this high $$$$, wait forever, deal, from fella's that are already buried in work. I can tool post grind a .357 mag reamer in my little South Bend, to perfectly functional form, to pilot into a .32, .30, 28, 25.....whatever.
. For .25 cal, I'd LOVE to have a bucket .32 shorts to play with.
The "Epoxy" that I'm looking at is flying around in the vacuum of deep space right now, going through heating and cooling cycles that would boggle most minds,....you DON'T scoop it off the shelf down at Ace hardware.
As far as ductility and ability to expand and contract while maintaining bond strength, consider that there are many newer aircraft zooming about that have no rivets securing their main wing spars to the fuselage,.....they're GLUING them in.
GTC

Can't speak to the fear aspect.
Can damn sure guarantee that's a savvy read on this stunt.

GTC

I was advocating that around 20 pages back. I don't know about heeled bullets being a case killer though, as long as chamber dimensions and case dimensions are such that no sizing is required and loads are kept at a sane level.

.22 Whifflepoof?

I'm sure enjoying the banter about this idea, wish I was more of a "machinist" type in order to contribute along those lines.

Agree with the idea it may need to be available in an "affordable" rifle/revolver platform or it stands a very good chance of being another specialty item only loonies will take to.

Love the idea of the everlasting case.

The ability to come up with a relatively inexpensive "non-lead" commercially produced projectile would be a plus for those living in areas that require such for hunting on all lands (Cali soon) or on state managed lands (i.e. WA). If not commercially produced an alternative to cast lead that a regular guy could produce in his own shop. Those of us who hope to live longer than the next few election cycles may one day see an administration at the Fed level that will require non-tox on ALL fed public lands

The non-tox will not be an issue in the event of the demise of civilization or a "survival" situation............lead will serve fine in that case.

I'm sure glad there are dreamers in this world, and dreamers that work on their dreams are the best.

Geno