Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles Tired of the 6.5 Creedmore

Got word from Krieger that my 6mm tube is shipping. Building a slightly bigger brother to the creed...6mm Super LR. It predates the creed, and it's what the 243 or 260 case should have been...

.My 260 (sub MOA) does anything I need to 500 on game. I'm sure the Creed would too - as do most other calibers/bullets, reasonably applied, if accurate.. I don't't shoot at nuthin over 500- paper or game, so adjust your view... your wet dreams may vary...

I did notice that here in Alaska, Creed ammo was often available during the ammo shortage, when I had a hard time finding .260.. that reasoning could go either way.

The M98 '06 that shoots 1 inch groups at 300 yards gets the cut over my .260 when hunting caribou on the open tundra- and the 06 RU77 17 inch barreled rifle is as good as the .260..

Some adjustment for drop required....

I say it's a fun gun, perfect for wifey or young people. My 100 lb granddaughter shoots mine, no problem. Wife ask me yesterday, when we goin shooting again? She wants one of her own. Maybe I'll get my 25 06 back.

Handloader had a humor article in the 1980s about the .04/50 meaning the .50 BMG necked down for a 4 cal sewing machine needle.

Melvin is building me a .260 which he recommended over the cm due to greater brass availability. I have used large capacity cases in the past, and found they wrok best with longer barrels to maximize their potential. Then I found that small cases also can take advantage of more barrel. I am happy if the load I choose gives good hunting performance and 2800-2900 fps.

Things seem a little backed up at the shop, have you gotten an ETA on your rifle? Last I heard they had run out of actions and were building more, and they only have 4 guys working there. From what I got talking with Melvin is they are working hard at catching up.

The 260 and the 6.5 Creedmoor have the same capacity.

As per JeffO, you're speaking of 'over penetration', I believe. The venerable '06 is hardly the most overrated cartridge ever.

Welp.

I agree that it's not the most overrated cartridge ever. In fact it might arguably be the best hunting all-arounder there is.... certainly it's in the conversation.

But overpenetration is a whole different thing.

I was just shooting a cartridge today that is on par with 30-06 recoil, which is my 7 WSM's shooting 180-gn bullets. The thing is, for the recoil investment, the 7 WSM just torches the good ol' 30-06 in terms of capabilities, and in a more compact rifle to boot.

Anyway.... we digress... but that's the point of a cartridge like the 6.5 CM: to maximize performance per unit of recoil.

If Remington had done the 260 right we wouldn't be reading this thread!

3" magazine and 8" twist.

100% true. The reason we've got the Creedmoor now is entirely to fix the absurd mistakes Remington made in the .260

Yet, it still doesn't.

My Savage 260 Rem has both, I really like it a lot....................

6.5 Creedmoor always makes me think what a great round the 6.5mm Rem Mag could have been if it had been put in the right rifle. Maybe something like a Model 70 short action with 22-23" barrel.

Before anyone mentions the belt - it doesn't really matter to me, it can pretty much be ignored when handloading.

Yes I would think that a standard Tikka would be an easy variant to make.

The 6.5-284 duplicates the 6.5 Rem Mag's performance specs. I have put together a few and the 6.5-284 is a nice cartridge if the magazine is long enough, but no better than the 270 for most practical hunting applications.

So does a Tikka

As wildcats we've got the 6.5 WSM and 6.5 SAUM. I'm hopping that as people discover how effective on game the slow 6.5s are, we'll get a good short action fast 6.5 with factory support and a 1:8" twist. A 160 Woodleigh at 3050 ft/s seems like a pretty ideal cartridge for western hunts. The trajectory of the 7mmSTW with less recoil than a 7RM and more sectional density. Light guns would be a real possibility. Seems like you'd be in great shape for all big game except bison and great bears with that.

A 160 woodleigh has a dismal BC for its weight. Maybe good for still hunting, but not something I'd label "ideal for western hunts." 123-142 class bullets offer higher speed and BC.

Uh, what? Woodleigh #80A - 160gr spire point. G1 BC of .509. It'll work just fine. Maybe you're thinking of the round nose?

The ballistic calc says a +-3" MPBR of 300y and it stays in the velocity window for 560y. That's at sealevel. At elevation, it'll just get better. I think it would hunt the west remarkably well. Show me something with the same sectional density and more reach, and I'll bet it has a LOT more recoil.