|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 8,739
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 8,739 |
Naval wisdom-----"a collision at sea will ruin your day"
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 8,739
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 8,739 |
If the Captain "steps off the bridge", someone is in charge, but the CO has ultimate responsibility.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 10,285 Likes: 1
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 10,285 Likes: 1 |
This seems extremely weird or extremely FU'd. How do you not see a ship like this on radar? I don't think it could sneak up on you if it wanted to, no way. Radar man asleep, playing with his fidget spinner? The freighter is not likely running darken ship, if it was that's weird. What about the deck watches? The captain is done because he owns it under his command. The radar man (or woman) will stand before the man when they review the radar logs, most likely. Bridge personnel and deck watches, yeah, all will be handed their balls ( unless they are women, then their ovaries).
The older I become the more I am convinced that the voice of honor in a man's heart is the voice of GOD.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 3,945
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 3,945 |
How does a US warship allow any vessel to get that close? I did see that the Captain took over the vessel just over a month ago. My sympathies to all the family's involved.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. Thomas Jefferson
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 59,234 Likes: 37
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 59,234 Likes: 37 |
I will be very interested to find out what happened here, God Bless these Sailors and their families.
Paul
"I'd rather see a sermon than hear a sermon".... D.A.D.
Trump Won!, Sandmann Won!, Rittenhouse Won!, Suck it Liberal Fuuktards.
molɔ̀ːn labé skýla
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 10,285 Likes: 1
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 10,285 Likes: 1 |
It almost seems like the U.S.S. Fitzgerald would have to have been running darken ship and emissions silent. I can't see any other way. But then you have to have deck watches and the ship has to be in condition Zebra. As I remember, at dusk the ship normally would go condition Yoke.
As I also remember, when you went darken ship and emissions silent you doubled the deck watch.
Last edited by Armednfree; 06/17/17.
The older I become the more I am convinced that the voice of honor in a man's heart is the voice of GOD.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 31,291 Likes: 10
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 31,291 Likes: 10 |
What pizzes me off are the headlines "Destroyer collides with..." Because the destroyer didn't hit anything: it was hit BY the freighter. Fugging news people either can't get anything right or they are deliberately trying to besmirch the Navy. Either is likely.
Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 10,285 Likes: 1
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 10,285 Likes: 1 |
What pizzes me off are the headlines "Destroyer collides with..." Because the destroyer didn't hit anything: it was hit BY the freighter. Fugging news people either can't get anything right or they are deliberately trying to besmirch the Navy. Either is likely. It was hit in the starboard side. When a vessel is approaching your starboard side you have to give way by stopping or turning to starboard. It's essentially the same as you failing to yield and getting T-Boned. Here's the thing, an Arleigh Burke-class is highly maneuverable. She looks like she can darn near turn back on her own wake. Somebody, and more than one, eye was off his (or her) job. Look at the turn radius: [video:youtube] https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DE&hl=de&feature=related&v=mzveUz-WRGQ[/video]
Last edited by Armednfree; 06/17/17.
The older I become the more I am convinced that the voice of honor in a man's heart is the voice of GOD.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 31,291 Likes: 10
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 31,291 Likes: 10 |
I understand the maritime "rules of the road" that say the ship on the right has the right of way. That doesn't men that all collisions are avoidable, however.
I'll wait until the official inquiry comes in before I pass judgment.
Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 19,496
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 19,496 |
Retired cat herder.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 22,737
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 22,737 |
Sounds like the USN needs a "collision avoidance system" installed on their ships. Jeez what an embarrassment!!
My home is the "sanctuary residence" for my firearms.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 10,285 Likes: 1
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 10,285 Likes: 1 |
Sounds like the USN needs a "collision avoidance system" installed on their ships. Jeez what an embarrassment!! I don't know but I bet they already do. I bet the computer in the radar warns them of possible collisions. Of course the man on mid-watch was probably young and thinking of Sally the Sailors sloppy slit. Eye's off the ball, criminal dereliction of duty. Only way I can see the outcome. Article 92 violation to the felony level.
The older I become the more I am convinced that the voice of honor in a man's heart is the voice of GOD.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 15,793 Likes: 7
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 15,793 Likes: 7 |
I was on the Midway on the night of July 29, 1980 when it was t-boned on the port side by a Panamanian freighter in the Strait of Malacca. It was almost catastrophic when the rigging of the freighter tore the tails off of several Phantoms, one of which had both engines turning. The bow crushed the LOX plant and killed two sailors there. Hundreds of gallons of fuel spilled all over the flight deck and running down the side of the ship by the LOX plant and on a couple of missiles that were loaded.
If I remember correctly, the captain of the of the freighter (the Cactus) misinterpreted the Midway's running lights and made a right turn into us from about 10:00 to 11:00. We went to abandon ship stations a while later. Search Midway/cactus collision at sea.
Hard to dodge something in a ship that big.
NRA Life,Endowment,Patron or Benefactor since '72.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 14,291 Likes: 5
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 14,291 Likes: 5 |
I bet I know what happened in our new Navy. A female sailorette, and a male sailor were on watch. He started banging her and they both quit watching the ocean.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 10,285 Likes: 1
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 10,285 Likes: 1 |
I bet I know what happened in our new Navy. A female sailorette, and a male sailor were on watch. He started banging her and they both quit watching the ocean. That is possible, we all know Poontang can kill.
The older I become the more I am convinced that the voice of honor in a man's heart is the voice of GOD.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,397
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,397 |
I had no idea that they were that maneuverable! Wow! Hoping all 7 are found safe.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 14,048 Likes: 1
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 14,048 Likes: 1 |
those boy's on the starboard rail could have dipped a cover full of sea water on that come about! awesome.
the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded. Robert E Lee ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 10,285 Likes: 1
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 10,285 Likes: 1 |
those boy's on the starboard rail could have dipped a cover full of sea water on that come about! awesome. Which goes to prove there is no danged way a container ship deliberately runs down a Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer. I figure the container ship saw the Fitzgerald and figured it would give way. Until the last minute when it realized she wasn't. Can't stop or maneuver a ship of that size in that situation with any kind of speed. The Fitzgerald did not give way as required. This falls all on the command and crew of the Fitzgerald, no way around that fact.
The older I become the more I am convinced that the voice of honor in a man's heart is the voice of GOD.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 42,640 Likes: 4
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 42,640 Likes: 4 |
How do you get hit by a merchant ship? Black Shoe incompetence. They have little concept of closure rates. Cardinal rule of Sea and Airmanship: CONSTANT BEARING DECREASING RANGE..... simple.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 14,048 Likes: 1
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 14,048 Likes: 1 |
those boy's on the starboard rail could have dipped a cover full of sea water on that come about! awesome. Which goes to prove there is no danged way a container ship deliberately runs down a Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer. I figure the container ship saw the Fitzgerald and figured it would give way. Until the last minute when it realized she wasn't. Can't stop or maneuver a ship of that size in that situation with any kind of speed. The Fitzgerald did not give way as required. This falls all on the command and crew of the Fitzgerald, no way around that fact. only other option is to have the Fitz turn across the bow of the barge.
the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded. Robert E Lee ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
|
|
|
|
371 members (1beaver_shooter, 10gaugemag, 2ndwind, 309coug, 17CalFan, 16penny, 39 invisible),
2,597
guests, and
1,114
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,193,757
Posts18,514,864
Members74,017
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|