It will be interesting to learn the details but generally speaking, if you get hit on your starboard side, it was your fault.
Don't doubt that - I was questioning the REPORTER'S description skills. One cannot "hit another ship" in the bow with the side of yours , but one can cross his bow, or fail to avoid, or the other guy could turn into you. Assuming the Fitz was under way at the time, which I am.
The Fitz was hit by the other ship, whoever is at fault. IMO, anyway. But I know jack-all about seamanship, other than what I have read.
those boy's on the starboard rail could have dipped a cover full of sea water on that come about! awesome.
Which goes to prove there is no danged way a container ship deliberately runs down a Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer.
I figure the container ship saw the Fitzgerald and figured it would give way. Until the last minute when it realized she wasn't. Can't stop or maneuver a ship of that size in that situation with any kind of speed. The Fitzgerald did not give way as required. This falls all on the command and crew of the Fitzgerald, no way around that fact.
only other option is to have the Fitz turn across the bow of the barge.
Which is even more fu'd up. She's danged lucky that bigger ship didn't break her back. ( for you non-navy types that means breaking her keel.) A credit to her designers and builders.
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Black Shoe incompetence. They have little concept of closure rates. Cardinal rule of Sea and Airmanship: CONSTANT BEARING DECREASING RANGE..... simple.
This^^^^.
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Its really sad to hear of service men killed by our own idiots. Can you imagine being told your son or brother " was killed by a merchant ship this morning". I know it wouldnt be put that way but thats about what it boils down to. Lots of crushed parents, brothers and sisters in our country tonight.
I'll wait to hear the reason before 'passing judgement'. One of the perks of not being a 'christian'
Just stir the pot for no apparent reason, pick pick pick. Getting called a troll more and more and easy to see why.
He says 'Our service men killed by our own idiots"
You ever been dead ship in the middle of the ocean? Have you have lost steering? Propulsion? Power?
So again, I'll wait till the details come out before I pass judgement on this. That you are too fu*cking stupid is no surprise. Please give the old Christ cock sucker a reach around.
For you to chastise anyone for being too quick to pass judgement is so far beyond laughable it borders on insanity. You are quite simply the most judgmental person I have seen on the Fire. If you don't know that about yourself, I don't know what to tell you.
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Black Shoe incompetence. They have little concept of closure rates. Cardinal rule of Sea and Airmanship: CONSTANT BEARING DECREASING RANGE..... simple.
In today's Navy, CBDR was likely the relationship between two on-duty sailors' genitalia in the moments immediately prior to the collision.
Am I incorrect in thinking that the time to react to this (had attention been paid) would be similar to this? Sad for those men lost. Very interested in what really happened out there. But even sophisticated electronic warfare shouldn't be able to jam a pair of binoculars.
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I am just going to throw this out there, is there any way there was a software malfunction or possibly the ship being hacked? Jorge's explanation seems to be the case but something just does not smell right.
Black Shoe incompetence. They have little concept of closure rates. Cardinal rule of Sea and Airmanship: CONSTANT BEARING DECREASING RANGE..... simple.
4 knot minds operating at 12 knots of closure.
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The navy has sure had it's share of problems. Probably because of all the Obama people he put in charge. The navy needs to get back into ship shape. In a hurry.
Hopefully Rex will put some competent folks in, and drain the Obama swamp.
I am just going to throw this out there, is there any way there was a software malfunction or possibly the ship being hacked? Jorge's explanation seems to be the case but something just does not smell right.
Steering is still done the old fashioned way. There are quite a few people monitoring on the bridge. Radar Plot, Navigation keeps a constant log of speed, direction and location via GPS and reference points from land, all this monitored by the Officer Of The Deck (underway). There are also strict "night orders" issued by the CO when he is not on the bridge to be notified when a vessel is within X miles, especially if closing. I understand the big ship made an unprecedented and unexpected turn into them, but those DDGs with turbine engines are lightning fast. The issue arises when the Bridge Team hesitates, but I have to tell you, if that ship was THAT close, the CO SHOULD have been on that bridge.
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Jorge, correct me if i am wrong but from the pictures(pretty small) it looked like the two ships were on the same course with the Conship knifing into the Fitz stern to bow?
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Its really sad to hear of service men killed by our own idiots. Can you imagine being told your son or brother " was killed by a merchant ship this morning". I know it wouldnt be put that way but thats about what it boils down to. Lots of crushed parents, brothers and sisters in our country tonight.
I'll wait to hear the reason before 'passing judgement'. One of the perks of not being a 'christian'
You mean making a statement and putting your foot in your mouth?
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How does a US warship allow any vessel to get that close? I did see that the Captain took over the vessel just over a month ago. My sympathies to all the family's involved.
News report I just watched says the cargo ship made a last minute U-Turn and T-Boned the navy vessel.
Almost like it was done on purpose.
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Though no official blame has been placed, authorities tracking both ships say that the ACX made an erratic and high-speed u-turn and set a course back to Japan. Shortly after, it struck the Fitzgerald.
