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You couldn't do it on US soil. We have this little thing called the 8th Amendment.

And I prefer ISIS dead where we find them.

Are you serious?

Or any number of other types of humans.

Because our culture has become one of victimology, there is much crying for the bull, but the Spanish, IMO are still in the business of celebrating real courage.

If you doubt it, crawl down out of your tree stand (at least in your mind's eye) and get in that ring. It's pretty obvious that the bull has a fighting chance.

Bring on the horns.

Fair Chase Rules, Marquess of Queensberry, that's not fair, you can't do that.................all somewhat subjective..........

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B&C Club

FAIR CHASE, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals.

HUNTER ETHICS
Fundamental to all hunting is the concept of conservation of natural resources. Hunting in today's world involves the regulated harvest of individual animals in a manner that conserves, protects, and perpetuates the hunted population. The hunter engages in a one-to-one relationship with the quarry and his or her hunting should be guided by a hierarchy of ethics related to hunting, which includes the following tenets:
1. Obey all applicable laws and regulations.
2. Respect the customs of the locale where the hunting occurs.
3. Exercise a personal code of behavior that reflects favorably on your abilities and sensibilities as a hunter.
4. Attain and maintain the skills necessary to make the kill as certain and quick as possible.
5. Behave in a way that will bring no dishonor to either the hunter, the hunted, or the environment.
6. Recognize that these tenets are intended to enhance the hunter's experience of the relationship between predator and prey, which is one of the most fundamental relationships of humans and their environment.

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Applicable laws and regs., improper advantage, local customs, PERSONAL code of behavior, maintain THE skills, no dishonor to hunted, hunter, environment, enhance the hunter's experience of predator and prey.

'Applicable Laws and Regs., kinda straight-forward, but after that the 'Latitude' gets pretty broad...............

And we haven't even stepped into trapping or fishing yet!

Sometimes they run in a Smart Bull!!

I forgot to insert sarcasm

Score. Pissed off enraged injured Bull = 1.
"Sucks to be him" Experienced Matador
Ivan Fandino = 0.
Chance and probability over time, all part of the sport.....

"Bull fight" is an inadequate translation for the event. At the heart of it, it is in fact a ritualistic killing to depict the dominance of man over nature, and the Spanish do not apologize for this. In Spain, the corrida is not reported in the sports pages of the newspaper, but rather in the cultural section, much as with the arts in a US paper.

There is much going on in a corrida that those not familiar with the event will not see or understand. There are rules, and as with all rules there are people who break them. The bulls are supposed to be watched before the event by people from the ranch they come from. (A corrida is usually 6 bulls, 3 matadors killing 2 each, and usually all the bulls are from the same ranch.) The bulls are guarded to prevent the them being drugged, their horns shortened or blunted (changing their horns messes them up something like suddenly changing the distance from mound to home plate would screw up a baseball pitcher. Neither the bulls or the pitcher would be as effective.), or putting Vaseline in their eyes to cloud their vision. But, cheating of this sort does occur. Spain is Spain, and matadors don't want to get killed.

It is true the bulls are weakened by the picadores. But if they overly damage the bull by doing more than weakening the neck, they are booed with derision. The banderillas are placed to "adjust" the bull, but also for the matador to watch and determine if the bull comes low, high, right, left, etc., much as one "scouts" an opponent. Sometimes the matador places the banderillas himself. In the middle stages of the "fight" the matador proves his skill and bravery by how close he allows the bull to pass him as he works the cape. When it comes time to kill the bull, the matador uses not a large cape, but a small red one called a muleta. In order to properly kill the bull, the matador must show that he has control of the bull well enough to go in over the horns, exposing himself as he places the sword. If he does not do this, but instead comes from the side, he is booed with derision and is said to have "assassinated the bull."

I write all this not to defend, but to provide context. A corrida properly viewed is about the matador showing his mastery and bravery. It is not about taking pleasure in watching an animal being tortured. But, at the end of the day, it is in fact a ritualistic killing, and it is bloody, it is difficult, and things often go awry. Often, the bull is not killed cleanly. And sometimes, as in this case, people are injured or killed.

How one feels about all this is up to them. But we should at least understand the thing, even if we choose to condemn it. To dismiss it as a crowd of perverted people enjoying an animal being tortured is uninformed.

Hunting is different. Any hunter I respect wants the animal to die as quickly and painlessly as possible. Every animal is going to die. Considering all the ways nature ends life, dying at the hands of a good hunter is one of the most humane for an animal. By definition, the timing is sooner than another way, but the end should be humane. I don't know anyone who wounds an animal for pleasure or to provide an opportunity to practice their tracking skills, and I would not tolerate such a thing. But, as noted already by others, sometimes the killing part of hunting does not go well. When it does not, we should consider our part in why it happened and endeavor to not let it happen again.

Comparing any type of hunting, even dangerous game hunting, to a corrida makes no sense to me.

Lol, just checking.

Only in the sense that they are both a bloodsport.

And in the irony the those that participate in one bloodsport condemn those that participate in another.

Hmm, and gut shot with a rifle they fall right over? Actually on gut shot deer with arrows, once we figured out how to handle a mistake, we never have lost one since... in fact they became pretty easy to find actually... follow the time rule and they are almost alwasy less than 100 yards away dead in the first bed they lay down in... most people never figure that out. Gut shot is still that, regardless choice of weapon. I can't bowhunt on our lease now, not allowed... but we still have a dog. In fact my dog has had to solve way more "lost" deer from guns than from bows... whatever thats worth.

Stick around......it wasn't too long ago that some jack-ass was on here bragging about catching Coyotes with a large treble hook baited with a chunk of meat.

As far as Bull fighting goes, valid points have been made for both sides of the argument but as usual in today's dysfunctional world the best way to solve anything is with a healthy dose of name calling so I'd say we're right on track....carry on.

Not going to happen, I don't use tree stands. The part I disagree with is it being a death of many cuts.

Jim

It wasn't Ivans' first rodeo............

https://youtu.be/FRnkHG5XFgQ

haven't been in yrs but enjoy watching the cock fights as well... chicken fights for the pervs.

I had heard the bulls that win get put out to pasture and bred, maybe it was that way at one time.

Got no interest in seeing one, I'd be rooting for the bull, the deck being so stacked against them.

I'm far more troubled though by the modern PC mindset that would ban these things.

"Mata" in Spanish in this context refers to "kill" ennit? No tears for the guy here, he chose his game and went out in his prime. There's worse ways to go.

Point of reference, IIRC five competitors died at the Isle of Man motorcycle races when I was there last year, and two this year. There's people want to ban that too.

Birdwatcher

There's a reason the Muslims aren't invading Spain at present, just as there is a reason they are beginning to invade here.

When people wonder why, all they need do is to read this thread.

Moral superiority is a good place to be. You know, just as anti-hunters are far superior to you.

Your an idiot