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And, if you just gotta have a Leica, IMO it would pay to buy from a strong dealer who can/will go to bat for you.

Dealers that sell thousands of dollars of Leica products each year have more stroke with Leica than you or I.

Unfortunale, but reality is reality, it is what it is.

Money talks, BS walks (gets ignored)..

DF

JG,

BTDT, pondering over the best option.

The RF binoc is faster than individual units; that may be the biggest plus.

I got store sample Zeiss Victory 8x45 T* RF binocs from Doug and the gang for a little over half retail.

Before, I used Swaro or Kahles binocs with Leica RF, all great units.

Zeiss glass is really good, the RF will give readings out to 1,500-1,600 yds.

Sorta big, but not overly heavy, my go to unit.

DF

Shouldn't ever have to get a dealer involved, that's the point.

I forgot you had that one DF. I've never heard anything bad out of that unit either. Thanks for the reminder.

cummins, no offense but I won't own another Leica anything until they update their pathetic warranty and customer service, especially a used one.

I have owned 3 different pairs of geovids over the years. I currently use the swaro EL range, which I have been happy with. I just don't like the new HD-b's they don't work for my eyes. I had at least 2 issues with my geovids, different pairs BTW, the first was I dropped them and they landed on the focus knob. Sent them into leica and they fixed and charged me $100 to fix it. they seems to be about the minimum they want. I think the turn around time was 3-4 weeks. The other time was on a newer pair the RF had trouble ranging out as far as I thought they should, compared to my brother in laws earlier non HD unit mine HD would not range as far. Sent to leica and they came back with the best RF unit I had seen in any of the other 2 geovids I had used. They were particularly worried about getting a receipt and knowing when exactly I had bought them. I am also not sure they would have covered the repair at all if I had not bought these from a retailer. in any event the charge would have been $100 if it wouldn't have been covered under warranty. They did send me a couple pairs of free lense caps over the years. I would describe leica customer service as adequate, nothing more nothing less.

They would probably be better served with more communication maybe allowing online access to repair updates. instead they mail out an invoice describing what needs to be done, that wastes a few days in turn around. They you have to tell them what you want to do. That process could be faster and smoother. It would probably also help if people there were given common sense authority to take care of people when appropriate.