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Still,no one has explained just what vinegar does to make it a good additive to Windex. Curious minds want to know Black Powder residues are ACIDIC Vinegar is ALKALINE, .........neutralizes the acid. GTC Vinegar contains acetic acid. It's acidic, not alkaline. That is sure what I always thought.
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Not enough coffee,.....Vinegar is acidic for sure
.has anybody got a handle on the stuff MV wrote about this for SPG's "Black Powder Cartridge News", originally,.....IIRC, it was picked up by Muzzle Blasts and printed there, too.
Something to do with it's "sliptivity" or surfactant qualities ?
I CAN tell you that it works, and will look forward to seeing the chemistry of the deal thrashed out,...if and when,
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Still,no one has explained just what vinegar does to make it a good additive to Windex. Curious minds want to know Black Powder residues are ACIDIC Vinegar is ALKALINE, .........neutralizes the acid. GTC Vinegar contains acetic acid. It's acidic, not alkaline. Given that I've been killing weeds with the 20% "Agricultural Strength" vinegar for a few years now,......a true " WTF, how did I screw that up," moment followed your timely observation,..... ....tell ya what,....you don't want to put that stuff on your salad
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Coffee is acidic too but it's no good on black powder residue..... 
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Im Just not that much of a fan of putting soap down the barrel of my rifles. Murphy' oil soap being the exception. And it in pretty watered down doses.
Most time I clean with just plain water. But do what works best for ya ! 😁
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Have their round haunches gored."
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Im Just not that much of a fan of putting soap down the barrel of my rifles. Murphy' oil soap being the exception. And it in pretty watered down doses.
Most time I clean with just plain water. But do what works best for ya ! 😁 What ^^^ he said. It's amazing how much fouling can be removed with just plain H2O with water soluble propellants. It even works on smokeless powders.
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Anyone just add household vinegar to regular Windex for cleaning BP fouling? Only use for cleaning if you aren't leaving copper, lead, plastic or carbon in the bore. Only thing vinegar cleans is powder fouling.
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Coffee is acidic too but it's no good on black powder residue..... Agree Try dried Coffee grounds for buffering your BP brass shotshell loads,......it's just the ticket . Made smokeless "square shot" loads for starling and magpie control up on Alberta, seemed to get through thick brush better than regular shot,....or at least so we had convinced ourselves. The coffee ground buffering kept the barrels beautifully clean.
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One of these days I'm gonna have to get a bp cartridge rifle.
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In the kitchen...at your TAP!!
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One of these days I'm gonna have to get a bp cartridge rifle. Yes, yes you are. Be warned, though, it is an addiction stronger than any other known to man.  Ed
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Still,no one has explained just what vinegar does to make it a good additive to Windex. Curious minds want to know Black Powder residues are ACIDIC Vinegar is ALKALINE, .........neutralizes the acid. GTC Nope. Vinegar is dilute acetic acid. I used vinegar on my hawkin about 15 years ago at the recommend of someone (forgot who) and it ruined the bore. Took the blue right off, and the bore corroded in hours. Trashed the barrel. I havent heard anyone else complain of this before or since, so I am a sample of exactly one. FWIW as a learning experience, at the time I was using Pyrodex Rs. It is humid, and I didnt wash it all out, i dry patched and then let it sit. The good news is the Green mntn barrel i replaced it with is better and was on sale, which I never would have found out had I not destroyed my barrel with a stupid experiment or negligence. I use murhpy's and mostly hot water now.
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Just got a bottle of Apple cider vinegar. Says right on the label: 5% acetic acid
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I got into the habit of de-mounting the barrel and taking it into the shower with me along with a rod and patches. Kills two birds with one stone. (Sometimes she objects when the black water runs between her toes though. Be forewarned.)
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ammonium hydroxide from the windex and acetic acid form the vinegar neutralize each other and form a buffer solution , called spirits of mindererus. Buffer would help neutralizes acids and bases in the barrel. Cleaning action is more likely due to the mono butyl ether in the Windex and laurel sulfate
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