Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 5 1 2 3 4 5
#12133498 - 07/07/17 Re: 30/40 Krag [Re: deflave]  
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 89,085
Steelhead Offline
Campfire Oracle
Steelhead  Offline
Campfire Oracle

Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 89,085
Azerbaijan
Originally Posted by deflave
Any advice on loading for one of these? I need to lay in some components.




Dave



Your box is full again, did you ever get a Shockwave? Thoughts?


"When I was a kid I thought that quicksand was going to be a much bigger problem than it is."
CMG 300 BP

#12133518 - 07/07/17 Re: 30/40 Krag [Re: deflave]  
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,659
wildhobbybobby Offline
Campfire Guide
wildhobbybobby  Offline
Campfire Guide

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,659
Michigan Yooper
I loaded the two I had with the Hornady 220 gr. RNSP and 40.0 grains of IMR 4350. Seemed to duplicate the military load and shot to POA with the original sights. If you just bought the rifle, it's a good idea to carefully inspect the locking lug on the bolt for cracks before using it.

Last edited by wildhobbybobby; 07/07/17.

Life is like a purple antelope on a field of tuna fish...
#12134418 - 07/08/17 Re: 30/40 Krag [Re: Steelhead]  
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 59,429
deflave Offline
Campfire Oracle
deflave  Offline
Campfire Oracle

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 59,429
Originally Posted by Steelhead
Originally Posted by deflave
Any advice on loading for one of these? I need to lay in some components.




Dave



Your box is full again, did you ever get a Shockwave? Thoughts?


Negative. Will be looking this weekend. On the road.




Clark

#12134422 - 07/08/17 Re: 30/40 Krag [Re: wildhobbybobby]  
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 59,429
deflave Offline
Campfire Oracle
deflave  Offline
Campfire Oracle

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 59,429
Originally Posted by wildhobbybobby
I loaded the two I had with the Hornady 220 gr. RNSP and 40.0 grains of IMR 4350. Seemed to duplicate the military load and shot to POA with the original sights. If you just bought the rifle, it's a good idea to carefully inspect the locking lug on the bolt for cracks before using it.


Thanks.

It has already been gone over by somebody that knows more about them than I.




Dave

#12134423 - 07/08/17 Re: 30/40 Krag [Re: EdM]  
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 59,429
deflave Offline
Campfire Oracle
deflave  Offline
Campfire Oracle

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 59,429
Thanks, Ed.




Dave

Alpha

#12134571 - 07/08/17 Re: 30/40 Krag [Re: wildhobbybobby]  
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 402
trplem Offline
Campfire Regular
trplem  Offline
Campfire Regular

Joined: May 2005
Posts: 402
NE WI
Originally Posted by wildhobbybobby
I loaded the two I had with the Hornady 220 gr. RNSP and 40.0 grains of IMR 4350. Seemed to duplicate the military load and shot to POA with the original sights. If you just bought the rifle, it's a good idea to carefully inspect the locking lug on the bolt for cracks before using it.

I've used your particular load for a few years myself. It worked pretty well on a few white tails over the years.

#12138194 - 07/10/17 Re: 30/40 Krag [Re: deflave]  
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,310
Uncas Offline
Campfire Regular
Uncas  Offline
Campfire Regular

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,310
Kansas and Alaska
Have loaded the Krag for twenty years. Most have about as long a throat as a WBY freebore. Best loads were usually with 150 grain BTs or Spire points.Varget. Mild accurate and 2700 fps.Then...the last batch of loads were with 190 grain LR Accubonds. H4831 no chrono data but five into a forty caliber hole at 100 yards (from a 22 inch Contender re chambered from a 30/30). Nosler says LRs expand down to 1300 FPS at a mild 2000 FPS MV... should be great. Just about the neatest cartridge case to work with. No surprises, just mild accurate results. In spite of a long throat try seating a 150 Hornady to the crimp groove, they just do not seem to care if they jump an inch into the rifling. So many bullets work in the cartridge, just try what you have on hand. Sierra customer service gave me the Varget data. Pulled 147 fmjs over Unique for 1300 fps are one holers at 50 yards for small game.


Watch 'Yer Topknot!
#12140020 - 07/11/17 Re: 30/40 Krag [Re: deflave]  
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 12,175
gnoahhh Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
gnoahhh  Offline
Campfire 'Bwana

Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 12,175
Annapolis, Md.
If you're loading for a Krag, I wouldn't go over 40gr. 4350/220 grain jacketed bullet. That load will give you original gov't load performance. (2000fps out of a 30" rifle barrel, probably 1850fps or so out of a 22" barrel. Doesn't sound like much but remember, that load was considered big medicine for any and all 4-legged animals in North America 100 years ago.)

When the Army cried for more oomph, Frankford Arsenal upped performance from 2000fps/220 bullet to 2200fps/220 bullet. Immediately they started getting complaints from the field that locking lugs were cracking. (Remember there's only one.) They went back to the original load and recalled all of the "new improved" ammo and all was good again. Going higher than 40 grains 4350 will put you into the same scenario. This from the Krag addicts/gurus on the Krag Collectors forum, and I believe them. It's really advisable to limit pressures in a Krag to 40K psi or less. I can't speak to M95 Winchesters and other .30-40 rifles.

In mine I load 6gr. Bullseye/155 grain plain base cast bullet for plinking. 18 grains SR-4759/180 cast for general target shooting. 40 grains 4350/210 grain cast bullet for hunting, which was my hunting load back in the 80's and it poleaxed eastern whitetails. It'll be my hunting load again this year with my recently built Krag sporter. The lead bullets don't have to be hard as sin at 2000 fps, especially if you will hunt with them. Hard cast bullets behave almost like FMJ's. Hardness of 11-13 bhn is A-ok for accuracy with no leading + reliable expansion at Krag and .30-30 velocity levels.

Sizing cast bullets for a Krag can be tricky too. Chamber, throat, and bore dimensions are all over the map in original barrels. It's advised to measure the throat and size bullets to fit it regardless of groove diameter. It's not uncommon (in fact just the opposite) to find Krags with throats as big as .314 and grooves running to .312. A good compromise is to size to .310-.311 which ought to cover most examples, if you can't measure the throat. I wouldn't even bother trying .308-.309 cast bullets- I'm so jaded about Krag bullet requirements, based on first hand experience with more Krags in my life than enough.

Last edited by gnoahhh; 07/11/17.

"You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz
#12144393 - 07/13/17 Re: 30/40 Krag [Re: deflave]  
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,184
Freddy Offline
Campfire Regular
Freddy  Offline
Campfire Regular

Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,184
Western Nevada
Excellent fun to shoot cartridge, Krags only have one locking lug so be careful.

#12151215 - 07/17/17 Re: 30/40 Krag [Re: Freddy]  
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 59,429
deflave Offline
Campfire Oracle
deflave  Offline
Campfire Oracle

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 59,429
Thanks to everybody for your help. Components are on order. I'm going to try the Nosler BT's and Hornady RN. Both 220 type.

Gun is in hand. Can't wait to give it a go. Will definitely use this on deer this year. It's just too cool.

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

Bravo

#12151801 - 07/17/17 Re: 30/40 Krag [Re: deflave]  
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 143
Potsy Offline
Member
Potsy  Offline
Member

Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 143
Middle TN
I've not shot my Krag in years. The pics make me want to drag mine out of the back of the safe and run a few through it.

Looking through my notes, I've tried 220 Sierra RN's with 43.5grn IMR-4831. I can't find where I wrote down any numbers off the chronograph for that load, so work up. I am fairly positive it was right at 2000fps and around an inch for 3 at 50 yards (that was the furthest range I had that day, and between the issue sights, staring into the sun, and the sewer pipe bore on my rifle, I was happy).

I've also ran 165 Speer Hot Cors with with 40.0 grn. of IMR-3031. Same deal accuracy wise at 2330 fps (I did write down my chrony numbers on that one).

I've wanted to cast for mine, but the above mentioned sewer pipe bore has always kept me from making the investment. I THINK it was a Lyman 311284 that was designed for the Krag. LOTS of good cast bullet and load stuff over Cast Boolits.com.

I need to try to kill something this fall with that rifle.......

#12152326 - 07/17/17 Re: 30/40 Krag [Re: deflave]  
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 12,175
gnoahhh Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
gnoahhh  Offline
Campfire 'Bwana

Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 12,175
Annapolis, Md.
Yeah, the Hudson-designed 311284 was intended specifically for the Krag. Works in about any .30 too. (An old acquaintance used it and a caseful of surplus 4831 in his .30-30 as his black bear whacker.)

That is a dandy Model 1896, Travis. They simply don't come much nicer.


"You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz
#12152368 - 07/17/17 Re: 30/40 Krag [Re: gnoahhh]  
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 59,429
deflave Offline
Campfire Oracle
deflave  Offline
Campfire Oracle

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 59,429
Thanks Gnoah.

I'm happy with it.




Travis

#12152454 - 07/17/17 Re: 30/40 Krag [Re: deflave]  
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 7,833
Pappy348 Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Pappy348  Offline
Campfire Outfitter

Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 7,833
WV, Thank God!
Yup, pretty nice. Didn't think you swung that way. You're gonna have to buy a wider truck.

What's next, Mausers?




One good thing about getting old is that it gets easier to buy stuff that lasts "forever".
#12152525 - 07/17/17 Re: 30/40 Krag [Re: Pappy348]  
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 59,429
deflave Offline
Campfire Oracle
deflave  Offline
Campfire Oracle

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 59,429
Originally Posted by Pappy348

What's next, Mausers?


I could use a 98 actually...

Started when I bought my dad a Garand. Something about those old military rifles I just like.




Dave

#12152615 - 07/17/17 Re: 30/40 Krag [Re: deflave]  
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 12,943
kaywoodie Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
kaywoodie  Offline
Campfire 'Bwana

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 12,943
Bastrop Co. Texas
Very nice Rifle!!!! Very nice!!!!

Well done!


Founder
Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester

Jagdverein der lustigen Hüte
#12154171 - 07/18/17 Re: 30/40 Krag [Re: kaywoodie]  
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 59,429
deflave Offline
Campfire Oracle
deflave  Offline
Campfire Oracle

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 59,429
Thanks K-dub!

Can't wait to shoot it.




Travis

#12156597 - 07/19/17 Re: 30/40 Krag [Re: deflave]  
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 25,692
Fireball2 Online content
Campfire Oracle
Fireball2  Online Content
Campfire Oracle

Joined: May 2011
Posts: 25,692
Oregon
Travis that's about the slickest action you'll ever run. You should really enjoy that side gate and the feel of the Krag in your hands. I like em myself. Best of luck.


_______________________________________________________

The world has gone completely crazy, starting with most of you!

Intolerance is about to become very popular. I'm ahead of the curve.

#12161154 - 07/21/17 Re: 30/40 Krag [Re: deflave]  
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 59,429
deflave Offline
Campfire Oracle
deflave  Offline
Campfire Oracle

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 59,429
This thing is percolating...

220gr. RN are doing OK.

Pics by Monday.



Travis

#12161463 - 07/22/17 Re: 30/40 Krag [Re: deflave]  
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 28,116
Seafire Offline
Campfire Oracle
Seafire  Offline
Campfire Oracle

Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 28,116
Southern Oregon USA
Those new Nosler 220 grain "Ballistic Tips" Round nose bullets designed for the
300 Blackout, ought to be something to give a try in a 30/40 Krag....

If you don't get around to it Trav, I'll have to dust off my Krag and give them a whirl.

Then designed for opening up at low speed, ought to work in a Krag real well.


Hillary Clinton In 2013: “I Would Like To See People Like Donald Trump Run For Office; They’re Honest And Can’t Be Bought”

#12161527 - 07/22/17 Re: 30/40 Krag [Re: Seafire]  
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 59,429
deflave Offline
Campfire Oracle
deflave  Offline
Campfire Oracle

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 59,429
Yeah. They look pretty slick. Hopefully they have the same POI as the Hornady's.

Page 2 of 5 1 2 3 4 5

Moderated by  RickBin, SYSOP 

AIH 160 1
Who's Online Now
479 registered members (175rltw, 1894CL, 10gaugemag, 12344mag, 1234, 47 invisible), 1,439 guests, and 573 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod









Copyright © 2000-2018 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
 
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0
Page Time: 0.070s Queries: 15 (0.005s) Memory: 1.0455 MB (Peak: 1.3466 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2017-11-18 23:23:42 UTC