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Personally I don't like to mess with a tube once it has been finished, I believe it was Kenny Jarret that said any cutting on the outside can change the internal dimensions , so the outside according to Mr jarret must be important once finished, have heard of others getting away with it but I'll pass! What do you think about buying a barrel you plan to use as a 6.5 but you get a.224 barrel. Then have it fluted then have it bored to .264? Not sure if your serious, but I think its your barrel to waste $$ as you see fit............ It was a serious question to the idea you get stuff done to the outside before the bore is finished. How would it be a waist of money if it accomplish what you, not me, want? To do what you and ol' Jerret are saying you would have to have your own barrel machine. I am not committed to the idea everything on the outside needs to be finished before the inside is finished. I sent the bored and rifled barrel off to get fluted yesterday. When it gets back I will have it threaded and chambered on one end and the other end will be threaded for a brake. I tend to put my money where my talking is. How are you going to quantify the accuracy of the barrel since you've never shot said barrel? First, I'm not interested in the answer to that question. Second, It is not the difference I'm interested in; even if it was possible to ascertain. If I can get it to shoot up to my ability I will be delighted. This action with a .257 barrel did 10 in 3/4" at 100. Another did .870" for 10 shots at 200 yards. Either will work for me. 
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To flute or not to flute; that is the question.
I know Twisted Barrel can reduce weight by at least seven ounce in a barrel by fluting. Does anyone know from experience if deep fluting reduces accuracy? The rifle would be fired once and then let cool before the next shot. This is sort of duplicates hunting. It's rare for more than one shot to be fired in a hunting situation. Whatever you decide on, it will be wrong. Did you ask liar Larry or didja just think this up????
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To flute or not to flute; that is the question.
I know Twisted Barrel can reduce weight by at least seven ounce in a barrel by fluting. Does anyone know from experience if deep fluting reduces accuracy? The rifle would be fired once and then let cool before the next shot. This is sort of duplicates hunting. It's rare for more than one shot to be fired in a hunting situation. Whatever you decide on, it will be wrong. Did you ask liar Larry or didja just think this up???? Go [bleep] yourself you mealy-mouthed homo piece of crap.
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Based on the desire to lighten the rifle up I'm guessing you will be wanting to take it into the field. What scope will it 'wear'? For a mountain gun I'd go with a 6x fixed fuggher, unless I was shooting super long range..then a NF BEAST would for sure get the job done. If only someone knew the best scope for spotting antlers in the woods at last light. It's a travesty that no one has ever looked into that and written on it. I do know that with Vortex they have a no questions asked warranty. Not everyone loves Vortex (personally I think a few of their scopes are quite nice) but if say, an action were to completely explode (for reasons unknown) and the scope went with it, they will replace. Might want to consider one of the higher mag Razors LH's for this build...great glass, no nonesense scope and yeah when you blow the rig up during initial testing they will replace. 
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Good question. Two freaking pages and we still haven't learned the ever-important-question of how many lugs the action has. 
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Based on the desire to lighten the rifle up I'm guessing you will be wanting to take it into the field. What scope will it 'wear'? For a mountain gun I'd go with a 6x fixed fuggher, unless I was shooting super long range..then a NF BEAST would for sure get the job done. If only someone knew the best scope for spotting antlers in the woods at last light. It's a travesty that no one has ever looked into that and written on it. I do know that with Vortex they have a no questions asked warranty. Not everyone loves Vortex (personally I think a few of their scopes are quite nice) but if say, an action were to completely explode (for reasons unknown) and the scope went with it, they will replace. Might want to consider one of the higher mag Razors LH's for this build...great glass, no nonesense scope and yeah when you blow the rig up during initial testing they will replace. Until I read you last sentence I took you seriously and was going to answer appropriately.
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Good question. Two freaking pages and we still haven't learned the ever-important-question of how many lugs the action has. Hopefully enough lugs to fling some of the lighter 6.5's at thrilling speeds. I'm thinking with enough bullseye a 120 gr bullet should reach 3500 fps w/ 'nearly' no problems. LOL. But, I still want to know about the glass that will ride atop this beaast. Personally, I like the idea of fluting a 223 barrel and then drilling it out to 264. Just make sure that before you drill that barrel out you get it nitro-carbolized. It will be that much easier on the tools. Also, want too know how this wildcat will do with Trailboss, loaded subsonic. This could be an extremely versatile rifle..one day wears a break, next day a can...a true everyman's shooting iron. All kidding aside, I do enjoy your endeavors (Ringman) quite a lot. And I think you put a few here on from time to time.
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I'm not here for your [bleep] entertainment. Two barrels of the same weight and length and the fluted one is more rigid, that's a fact.
Did you call Krieger? No need to involve a 3rd party source. Cutting flutes in a tube will not stiffen a barrel.....it will make it lighter Your above statement gives me all I need.... "same weight" I.E. bigger diameter fluted vs smaller diameter....both equal weight The larger fluted will be stiffer A 3rd party? Krieger? I'm pretty sure tedthorn from the fire' thinks he knows more about barrels than Krieger, but... I don't know as much about barrels as Krieger But I do have an engineering degree and just over 30 years in the machining industry More then enough to understand the topic at hand All engineers and critical thinkers know that you can't get more stiffness by cutting away metal to make flutes. Krieger knows that also. Maybe less barrel whip due to less mass but I doubt it.
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And I think you put a few here on from time to time. I have no idea what this statement means. If you don't mind, would you elaborate, please? By the way I have another wildcat, a 6.5 RUMLN, based on the 7RUM that will do 3,500 with a 120 grainer. It holds 109 grains of water. The 6.5SLR will be for a more sedate 3,100 - 3,250 feet per second with 125 Hammers or 127 Barnes.
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And I think you put a few here on from time to time. I have no idea what this statement means. If you don't mind, would you elaborate, please? By the way I have another wildcat, a 6.5 RUMLN, based on the 7RUM that will do 3,500 with a 120 grainer. It holds 109 grains of water. The 6.5SLR will be for a more sedate 3,100 - 3,250 feet per second with 125 Hammers or 127 Barnes. I think you are quite the enthusiast. I think you 'might' know your way around the reloading bench. I think you might 'occasionally' write up your new projects in such a way as to excite some of the readers. But, I have been wrong before...in which case you are a reckless dumbass that has somehow lived into his golden years. Congratulations?!?! All that aside, I do appreciate a 6.5 aficionado doing things I would never bother with. I look forward to the progression of this latest build...and that is not said in jest.
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To flute or not to flute; that is the question.
I know Twisted Barrel can reduce weight by at least seven ounce in a barrel by fluting. Does anyone know from experience if deep fluting reduces accuracy? The rifle would be fired once and then let cool before the next shot. This is sort of duplicates hunting. It's rare for more than one shot to be fired in a hunting situation. Whatever you decide on, it will be wrong. Did you ask liar Larry or didja just think this up???? Go [bleep] yourself you mealy-mouthed homo piece of crap. Haha, are you crying and stomping your feet right now??? Read some more, I'm sure you'll "learn" something....
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Haha, are you crying and stomping your feet right now??? Read some more, I'm sure you'll "learn" something....
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Ping pong balls for the win.
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I sent it in last Friday.
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Personally I don't like to mess with a tube once it has been finished, I believe it was Kenny Jarret that said any cutting on the outside can change the internal dimensions , so the outside according to Mr jarret must be important once finished, have heard of others getting away with it but I'll pass! What do you think about buying a barrel you plan to use as a 6.5 but you get a.224 barrel. Then have it fluted then have it bored to .264? Not sure if your serious, but I think its your barrel to waste $$ as you see fit............ It was a serious question to the idea you get stuff done to the outside before the bore is finished. How would it be a waist of money if it accomplish what you, not me, want? To do what you and ol' Jerret are saying you would have to have your own barrel machine. I am not committed to the idea everything on the outside needs to be finished before the inside is finished. I sent the bored and rifled barrel off to get fluted yesterday. When it gets back I will have it threaded and chambered on one end and the other end will be threaded for a brake. I tend to put my money where my talking is. No. You do all the boring and cutting before the barrel is stress relieved.
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A lot of arguing over a few words. Both sides are right and that is why you cant get an answer. You cannot make a barrel stiffer by removing material, but you can create a more efficient section by using flutes, and have a stiffer barrel when compared to a thinner, unfluted barrel with no flutes. It would seem that a bunch of sportsman could find it reasonable to agree that when ounces matter, and barrel stiffness matters, that flutes could be a good solution. I like the way flutes look, and if they are lighter and the barrel provides more stiffness than an unfluted barrel of the same weight.... I win again.
Sorry if I disturbed the womenfolk too much in their banter... but it was dragging on and I am trying to watch TV
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A lot of arguing over a few words. Both sides are right and that is why you cant get an answer. You cannot make a barrel stiffer by removing material, but you can create a more efficient section by using flutes, and have a stiffer barrel when compared to a thinner, unfluted barrel with no flutes. It would seem that a bunch of sportsman could find it reasonable to agree that when ounces matter, and barrel stiffness matters, that flutes could be a good solution. I like the way flutes look, and if they are lighter and the barrel provides more stiffness than an unfluted barrel of the same weight.... I win again.
Sorry if I disturbed the womenfolk too much in their banter... but it was dragging on and I am trying to watch TV Excellent answer.
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"I like the way flutes look, and if they are lighter and the barrel provides more stiffness than an unfluted barrel of the same weight"
The flutes don't provide ANY stiffness, the larger diameter of the fluted barrel provides the stiffness.
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