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AS, dont forget their lust...

Lust is a psychological force producing intense want/desire...the easiest kind of people to sell something to..

Now you're pushing it.

Ha.

ingwe;
Good evening to you sir, I'm hoping that the smoke from our province being on fire hasn't blown south too, too much across the medicine line this year. If it has, please know we're doing our level best to curtail it, but somehow it's been one of those years, you know?

As you well know about me, I'm not about trying to convert or convince anyone to the my way of thinking - and as I told a co-worker the other day, my personal beliefs are just a crutch because I couldn't handle booze...

Anyway I'd opine that IF we do church right, then it should have a visible positive impact on our community. Truly we can have a positive impact on our respective communities as individuals, but it strikes me that if there are a group of individuals who have a common goal then we SHOULD be able to have a greater impact than as individuals.

Where we fall down, in my view, is when we become unclear on the concept and loose sight of the goal.

Personally speaking, I'd opine that when church management are enriching themselves monetarily from any church activity, then they have absolutely lost sight of the goal.

Honestly, I believe that whether or not we believe in any sort of deity, be it a cosmic muffin or whatever we choose, our goal as humans SHOULD be making good replacement humans if we choose to procreate as well as have a positive impact on those around us too. If we don't make replacements, then we're back to point number one.

Anyway as always that's just one short guy's thoughts on the subject being discussed ingwe, worth only what the good readers paid to pass over the words.

All the best to you and yours this summer sir, hopefully the fires abate up here and don't migrate into your part of the world.

Dwayne

Yea, specilly if u wanna b a cow, if yer lucky.

Ur crew, howsever, seems ta be leanin more to the 72 vurgen crew.

I just worry about myself and my family, and how we are living our lives, as ultimately that is who I am responsible for. Could care less how other folks live there lives, whether they claim to be christians or not. Nobody makes me look bad or good except me, and I don't care what folks think. Everyone will face judgement and everything will be sorted out in the end. Excuses will mean nothing when the creator of the universe examines our lives and holds us in account. If a church sucks, I leave. Never had a church force me to do anything, or force me to write a check which I happily write anyway.

I don't remember ever meeting someone like the above.



Does obedience to the New Testament fit in here?



I never met a group like this.




God wanted you to obey His Word from the first day. I wish you success in your journey.

Why? If there is no "sort of deity"?

That's funny my friend. Who would have ever guessed that the need for obedience would be what you would get from my post?

Works vs. Grace.

20 Passages supporting each position would be a chip shot. A good Theologian could probably find 100 quotes on each side of this question.

I said that Christianity was God's way to get close to us because we weren't seeking him. Rom.3:11 declares just that,there are none seeking after God. You see we weren't looking or seeking. We were dead in our sins when Jesus came and saved us. Rom.5:8 While we were sinners God commanded his love toward us and Christ died for us.

Yes,faith pleases God. How could God be pleased if we would not receive what he has done for us? For that matter how can you please anyone unless you believe them?

Ringman;
Good evening to you sir, I trust all is well with you and yours tonight and that you're staying cool enough.

If there is no deity and what we see and know here is all that there is, then it would still behoove us to create good replacements as I believe they'd then be more likely to take care of us in our old age when we can no longer do so on our own.

Those who know me personally know that I very much believe in a deity/creator, so the above fits into what I've come to understand as my role as a servant to that creator.

Either way it seems like a logical course of action to me though.

Hopefully that made sense, all the best to you for the remaining days of summer.

Dwayne

Not from me, on this one, my pot stirrer friend. I think you already know where I stand.

This^^^^. Dogs dont worry about it.

In the Holy Bible, God has given rather clear instructions for the Christian life. Those relate to the individual, although they can be lived and applied as a body of believers.

When we make stuff up in His name, it is a bad mistake.

So clear that there's thousands of different denominations of Christians.

I try and not follow a religion. Religions are mostly a man thing. I try and follow Christ in and covenant of Grace given. This is why everything, and I mean every single thing, any man says, preacher or otherwise, is subject to review under the scriptures. You will find that doctrines not directly stated in scripture are mostly inferred by man to his own end.

But then again I am a literalist who reads scripture with literary integrity. I reject versification as it allows people to sew together what God did not intend. A verse is a reference point, nothing more. No verse stands on it's own. Start at that verse for reference then broaden out to find the beginning to the end of the subject matter.

I take into account who the audience was and what the culture was. For example, every thing Jesus said, except to the Sumerian woman at the well, was to Jews living under the law that had not been fulfilled yet. He taught the Jews the spirit of the law where before they had held only to the text. The Jews held to an external law, Jesus showed it was meant to become internal. Then he made it internal with the covenant of Grace.

I do not believe the books of Jesus's ministry, Matthew, Mark Luke and John, are truly the New Testament but rather the conclusion of the Old Testament, the fulfillment of prophecy. The New Testament really doesn't start until the book of Acts. The new covenant not given until the day of Pentecost and the coming of the Holy spirit.

I like that!

I am a more than a little annoyed by the God Whom I serve. My wife whom I have prayed for almost everyday and sometimes several times a day is still a type 2 diabetic. God tells us He will heal those whom we anoint with oil and pray over them. I have seen lots of instant healing; even in my own family. And yet not her. We are generally staying cool, though. The air conditioner in the house and car work. I hope thing are going well for you and yours also.

I am entertained by your response. Your worldview predisposes you to think good offspring with take care of you. I read Eskimos take care of their aged by taking them out from the group and letting nature takes it course. They may believe in a deity, but they don't believe in the Only Deity that matters. As a servant of the Only Deity Who matters I agree with you about replacements. God never rescinded , "Be fruitful and fill the earth."

Like you appear to do, there are religious people who take thing out of context and dupe others into following them.

To answer one of your other questions....Without Grace there would be no works. God, by His Grace grants works to eternal life. I get this from 2 Timothy 2 where Apostle Paul writes something about God granting Grace to repentance. Repentance is a work in one's life.