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I will once again say that I believe each person's relationship with God is very personal and unique. As someone said, God wants us to love him (and others) and to let him guide us through life. No one path is exactly the same as another, and I find it hard to imagine one person telling another what path God has for that person.
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I can't agree with that either. I chalk it up to free will, as with everyone else that rebels. Walk around for awhile with my Dads words in your head "I'd rather see a sermon than hear a sermon".... D.A.D. see if it does anything for you, maybe it won't maybe it will. After my Dads death I had a guy come up to me and tell me what a difference those words made in his life and that he would forever be grateful for knowing my dad just because of that. If a man can make a difference in just one other persons life I think he did pretty damn good.
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Re Paul....... In the first place I don't believe Jesus intended to trust His message/ministry to a "church". I would agree because if he did he really didn't think it through. but i do think he wants us to help him in that endeavor, someone has to get their attention so they takle a look and decide for themselves. Belittling them with scripture, telling them they will burn in hell for eternity, Ect, Ect. will make very few if any take a look. I doubt any human could ever make me see Saint Paul as anything but a man who loved God but took himself too seriously. There's a lot around like that. To be honest I need to study my name sake a little more but what I do know of him I do believe you're probably correct. Far be it from me to try and change anyone's mind about God if what they have is working for them. But.... It is an interesting exercise to read all the N T letters, EXCEPT for those ascribed to Paul. Then give some thought to how valuable his written contribution really is. There's not any theology in James and John's letters and consider that THEY were writing to the fellowship as a whole, not individual churches like Paul was doing. Evidently they didn't think theology was all that important. Of course, they had the advantage of knowing Jesus on a day to day basis, in the flesh.
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I will once again say that I believe each person's relationship with God is very personal and unique. As someone said, God wants us to love him (and others) and to let him guide us through life. No one path is exactly the same as another, and I find it hard to imagine one person telling another what path God has for that person. I can agree a hundred percent with this post. Of course it probably put you on Ringman's [bleep].😀 Try again...sheet list
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I can't agree with that either. I chalk it up to free will, as with everyone else that rebels. Walk around for awhile with my Dads words in your head "I'd rather see a sermon than hear a sermon".... D.A.D. see if it does anything for you, maybe it won't maybe it will. After my Dads death I had a guy come up to me and tell me what a difference those words made in his life and that he would forever be grateful for knowing my dad just because of that. If a man can make a difference in just one other persons life I think he did pretty damn good. Amen to that! Great dad's are a real blessing. Thanks for sharing that. BTW, I was disagreeing with Ringmans opinion on the preacher's kids, not yours. Just wanted to make sure you knew that.
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Why can't you understand that the best argument to make to a non believer concerning the existence of God may not be verses from a book that you say God wrote,and therefore he must accept it as truth?
When I picture Jesus on the earth,I don't see him pointing the finger quoting scripture pointing out everyone's faults. I'm sure there was plenty of that going on by the Pharisees.Jesus did quote scripture, but mostly what I see Jesus doing is living his faith .
You are not a non-believer. You need to read about Jesus by reading His Word. Not commentators. Jesus is the embodiment of love. After all, He is the Word of God. He took time to weave a whip to drive out money grubbers. He is the God Who sent the Flood. He is the One Who will condemn to Hell.
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Far be it from me to try and change anyone's mind about God if what they have is working for them. But....
It is an interesting exercise to read all the N T letters, EXCEPT for those ascribed to Paul. Then give some thought to how valuable his written contribution really is.
There's not any theology in James and John's letters and consider that THEY were writing to the fellowship as a whole, not individual churches like Paul was doing. Evidently they didn't think theology was all that important.
Of course, they had the advantage of knowing Jesus on a day to day basis, in the flesh.
I'm not smart enough to pretend to understand why God wanted Paul's writings in the Holy Bible, but I'll assume it's because He wanted them there and felt they were an asset to spiritual growth and living.
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But see, my friend, our difference is that I'm not so sure God wanted Paul's letters in the Bible.
But those guys who were making a living off the other folks sure did and so they are in there.
But I'm free to say that there is more valuable information in James' letter than all of Paul's combined.
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For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23
For the wages of sin is death; But the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23
We are all sinners and God, being Holy, cannot abide with sin. Jesus sacrificed Himself for our sin. When we accept that we aren't capable of being good enough to enter Heaven on our own and receive Jesus' gift, then we are sinners saved by grace. His blood wipes away our sin before God.
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"I'd rather see a sermon than hear a sermon"....
The same can be said for most vaginas.
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Re Paul....... In the first place I don't believe Jesus intended to trust His message/ministry to a "church".
But..... being an extremely legalistic Jew, I doubt he could conceive of a simple Fellowship with no preachers, deacons,elders and such. Jesus, being God, does not intend anything. Everything He wants He does. Paul was the opposite of the modern idea of "legalistic". Read about it in Acts Fifteen. If he was so legalistic he would not have agreed with the idea of forgetting circumcision and going only with abstaining from fornication, abstaining from blood, abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, and from things strangled.
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I would agree because if he did he really didn't think it through. but i do think he wants us to help him in that endeavor, someone has to get their attention so they takle a look and decide for themselves. Belittling them with scripture, telling them they will burn in hell for eternity, Ect, Ect. will make very few if any take a look. I know pastor who became a Christian strictly because he heard a sermon about going to Hell; and he believed it.
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I will once again say that I believe each person's relationship with God is very personal and unique. As someone said, God wants us to love him (and others) and to let him guide us through life. No one path is exactly the same as another, and I find it hard to imagine one person telling another what path God has for that person. I can agree a hundred percent with this post. Of course it probably put you on Ringman's [bleep].😀 Try again...sheet list Apparently I have a hook or two in you. You presume to know a lot about what I think and don't think.
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I will once again say that I believe each person's relationship with God is very personal and unique. As someone said, God wants us to love him (and others) and to let him guide us through life. No one path is exactly the same as another, and I find it hard to imagine one person telling another what path God has for that person. I can agree a hundred percent with this post. Of course it probably put you on Ringman's [bleep].😀 Try again...sheet list Apparently I have a hook or two in you. You presume to know a lot about what I think and don't think. You got us mixed up again.....you are the one with the mind reading act. I'm the one who thinks you are borderline crazy. You need to keep the players straight.
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I will once again say that I believe each person's relationship with God is very personal and unique. As someone said, God wants us to love him (and others) and to let him guide us through life. No one path is exactly the same as another, and I find it hard to imagine one person telling another what path God has for that person. I can agree a hundred percent with this post. Of course it probably put you on Ringman's [bleep].😀 Try again...sheet list Apparently I have a hook or two in you. You presume to know a lot about what I think and don't think. It's no wonder that folks here respond to your posts the way they do.
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"I'd rather see a sermon than hear a sermon"....
The same can be said for most vaginas. I like most vagina's, but alas I am only allowed to listen to one..........
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"I'd rather see a sermon than hear a sermon"....
The same can be said for most vaginas. Run across some loud ones?
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You are dreaming. Christians are driving anyone anywhere. The people you are talking about make a conscience or unconsciousness decision every day to reject God. I've seen many Christians drive people from God and or attending church, Many. In this day and age, you'd have to live in a pretty remote area to not find a church that suits your wants/needs. I can't see how a lover of God and a lover of people wouldn't want to attend a local Church. I know folks who don't, but they usually point out flaws rather than get involve and try to fix those flaws in the church and in the end I see it as an excuse to not give time/money/effort. And that's fine, we certainly don't want people in church who don't want to be there.
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