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Used the old ones and I don't expect great accuracy from any bonded bullets but usually could get them to shoot at around an inch at 100 but no worries if it was an inch in a quarter for a hunting rifle. Jack Carter used the 7mm 175 grain bullet to take a couple of buffalo on a trip with John Wooters I believe.
Haven't used the tipped version but I suspect it will only be better in all departments.
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Well here's a factoid that will keep some up at night. I just received my 7 mm 140's as pictured above by Brad. Thinking they'd be shorter than the 140-gr TTSX's since they are ~ 40% lead by eyeball as opposed to the 100% mono- copper alloy,..I measured them.
The TTSX's went 1.36" and the Fed Tipped TB's went................................1.35" with my calipers.
Gee, think of the extra room I'll have in the box. ๐ ๐
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I just took delivery of 250 ct of .284 140's
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I shot the 165 grain TTB today in my 308 Kimber MT. 49 grains of Alliant MR-2000 (Wolf primers, LC95 match brass) produced 2855 fps, good ES and SD's. 3/4" 3 shot groups which is as good as my best 155 Scenar. Loads were 2.82" to fit the magazine
Bullets mike .3085" and you could feel it during seating. Thinking I will add another 0.3 grain with Lapua brass and use it as my new elk load this year
A 165 at 2850 with great bullet construction and decent BC don't suck.
The load data provided with the bullets shows up to 50.5 gr of MR 2000 for +2900 fps in a 24" BBL which is exactly what I load and get with the 155 Scenar in the 22" Montana.
I like this bullet.
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I shot the 165 grain TTB today in my 308 Kimber MT. 49 grains of Alliant MR-2000 (Wolf primers, LC95 match brass) produced 2855 fps, good ES and SD's. 3/4" 3 shot groups which is as good as my best 155 Scenar. Loads were 2.82" to fit the magazine
Bullets mike .3085" and you could feel it during seating. Thinking I will add another 0.3 grain with Lapua brass and use it as my new elk load this year
A 165 at 2850 with great bullet construction and decent BC don't suck.
The load data provided with the bullets shows up to 50.5 gr of MR 2000 for +2900 fps in a 24" BBL which is exactly what I load and get with the 155 Scenar in the 22" Montana.
I like this bullet. When you say you could feel it during seating do you mean it felt snug? If they are that snug, and with load data specific to them being scarce, is pressure a concern?
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I used to go in Jack's shop quite often, he was a nice man. I ran some air line piping in the shop in trade for 7mm and 30 cal. bullets. They killed anything I hit. I still have some of his bullets. I need to try some of the new ones.
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No I would not be concerned as long as you work up. But yes they took a bit more pressure to seat in well prepared brass. Could be the nickel coating or whatever the coating is.
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Many bullets are slightly "oversize."
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When recovering from a neck surgery I had in late 2000, I had a muzzlebrake put on a 220 Swift Mod 700. I used the then available Federal factory load with the 55gr Trophy Bonded Bearclaw. I killed mule deer/varmints in Utah, then went to Texas and killed Axis deer and a couple of really nice Blackbuck rams. It was a real killer, only recovered one bullet (axis doe) and it measured a hair over .45 caliber. The wind blew them around badly, but for a 22 centerfire, they were pure poison!
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Just shot the .270 Win and the 130 grain Trophy Bonded Tip bullets. The average was 3073 fps for the four shots.
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Take your responsibilities seriously, never yourself-Ken Howell Proper bullet placement + sufficient penetration = quick, clean kill. Finn Aagard
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Man, that'll hunt. Nice shooting.
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Thanks Beretzs,gonna use that load for deer hunting this year.
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Take your responsibilities seriously, never yourself-Ken Howell Proper bullet placement + sufficient penetration = quick, clean kill. Finn Aagard
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I'm using the 165 grain in my Sako A7 308 and they are turning out to be excellent. Small groups regardless of charge weight. I'm also getting about 2850 from my most recent trip to the range. I'm really liking these bullets, Federal is gonna sell a ton of these I think.
I'll probably get some 180's for my 300 WSM later on...
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Say elkman- the three shot cluster of the TBT are they also 60gr H4831SC/CCI 250? My old Belgium BAR shoots the 130NP with a similar load. I'm thinking that TBT would actually be better for elk/big hogs for a 130gr, I'll have to try them later ( if I ever get time of to go shoot!)
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Those are Elk smackers for sure. I watched a friend shoot a 5x5 with one and the Elk never took a step and just folded in place. Hit in the brisket and we lost the bullet in the vicinity of the Texas Heart shot area. Big mess we didn't want to sift through. Surprising as I have seen much heavier bullets get stopped by a grass filled paunch. Proved the old 270 is plenty good enough with the right bullets.
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I had a 225-gr Nos Partition from a 340 Wby stopped by a "medicine-ball" sized stomach full of the thickest pea soup in a bull jumped at about 30 yds and snap-shot at 40.
This bullet was started at 3100 fps. You don't want to hit any bull amid-ship with any bullet, especially after he's hit the buffet.
Edit: I need to correct this from a false impression and an incomplete story. We found an oblong entry hole in the hide on the right rear flank. That caused us to dig into things. Out came the Nos that had hit a twig in front of the bull and entered him side-ways and was stopped by an elks brew of about 40 lbs of grass soup.
What stopped the bull? A 338 pill from my partner that spined him.
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Question for guys having shot these into animals - pondering picking up some 30 and 27 cals for my 30-06, 308, and 270 for elk. Stick with 'traditional' sizes 165 in 308, 180 in 06, 150 in 270 - or drop down a size (150/308, 165/06, 130-140/270)? They look like a hybrid TTSX and Partition.
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OK guys...you say they are available...but from where????
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Midway USA. Have 3 boxes in my cart now......
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Thanks...was hoping to see a .22 cal....but no joy!
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