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I mentioned numerous times,"illegal aliens/Wetbacks". Not folks with a tan,who are here legally,as that is moot to me and the tally on them,modest at best,if such things trouble you.

I know this is going to be tough for you to follow,but Ed Head is no longer in business,in the capacity mentioned and today is not then. Won't trouble you,with them obvious correlations.

Also mentioned,that I know the Thinners who work outta town,in several of the abandoned Camp sites. While some wore tans,none to my knowledge were Illegals and again,that is/was the crux.

The USFS Thinners I talked to yesterday(locale seperate,obviously,from the aforementioned gent on the Native tract),were driving a USFS vehicle,with USFS 4-wheelers in the back and were whiter than I,as well as direct USFS Employees.

'Course,I'm plagued continually,with the luxury of not being forced to guess.

Try it sometime....................

Son,

Where the hell have you been? We have been a socialist society for a long, long time! Since Franklin Roosevelt, anyway! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> Now e are a politically correct socialist society! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Sadly we are, to some extent.

AMEN!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

TBaker
While my response has nothing more to do with unions than your comments, I felt a need to respond.

Nothing said my investments were/are bad. I simply pointed out the fact the good old boy club is stealing from corporations and by extension, stockholders. That is where I come in. Jealousy has nothing to do with it, either, as I retired from day jobs at 48, almost three years ago.

Equating CEOs performing poorly for their shareholders with gun control is a ridiculous stretch. And I also said nothing about a few bad CEOs. By definition, half perform below average. Huge golden parachutes for failed CEOs is a waste of MY money as I am an owner.

Again, I am the capatalist and the CEO is my thieving employee (in cahoots with my board of directors). No relation to jealousy, unions nor gun control.
art

No sir. To a LARGE extent! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Some people do not realize the stockholders are the OWNERS! And quite often cannot control what the board and CEOs do, and STEAL! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

So you are in favor of making laws that tell companines how much they can pay their CEO? how about their CFO? or their CTO?

No. Not at all. The less government the better! I thnk shareholders need to take back the control they once had over the CEOs! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Quite a few of these bastids need FIRED! And not let go with millions of dollars in golden parachutes either! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Congress was supposed to provide for the common defense and
control interSTATE commerce. They have abused their power
by sticking their noses into anything else! Therefore, 99% of our laws are unconstitutional! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

What do you mean by "companies paying their CEOs?" By "company", do you mean the owners? Which is the shareholders.

The board of directors and the CEOs set these figures for themselves, and therefore they are STEALING from the owners
as it is done without consent! They go about appointing each other to the boards of the companies. That is what Art mean by the CLOSED, good ole boys club!

It is a corrupt system, much like our government!Those who mare supposed to "be in control" actually have little say.
We are supposed to be governed by the CONSENT of the governed. You don't believe that we do that in this country?

You want to see my accomplishments? Watch SportsCenter, we'll lift a few this year.


How would we know when we are seeing your accomplishments, will you be wearing a 24hr hat?

There is another down side to those insane and obscene multimillion $ salaries, as well as setting prices on the finished goods high enough to make the stockholders a huge profit on their investment.

The stage is often set for somebody else to come in willing to make the same product for a tenth of the margin, knowing full well he is still going to get rich.

Profit taking should not be regulated by law. But wise management knows their company will have a greater life expectancy if it is held to a reasonable level.

This is just as much the reason for Detroit's present condition as are union demands.

Idaho_Shooter says:

"The stage is often set for somebody else to come in willing to make the same product for a tenth of the margin, knowing full well he is still going to get rich."

djmbow says:

Hmm..........and what would we call this?

"Capitalism" perhaps..........?

Yes absolutely!

Do not misunderstand me, I think capitalism is the greatest thing going. That does not change the fact that a manager is a damn fool if he prices his product or allows quality to slip in such a manner that he can be driven out of business by another who is still making a decent profit.

So exactly what is your explanation of union demands you find objectionable?

Barkoff, absolutely not. Get fired for pulling a stunt like that. Plus we make it a point not to have the guys designing and building them at the track any more than is necessary, leads to alcoholism and divorce. Go to some but only when I need to do a little spying. The only reason I mentioned it was that a certain chronic masturbator seems to have this idiotic notion that everyone here is jealous of him and his lifestyle. Ridiculous.

280don, that is one of the best points that has been made since we got buried under flight plans, cocktail waitresses, bonechilling tales of danger in the Yukon, and racist rhetoric. I myself own quite a bit of shares in american companies and I am glad to say it is not usual in the ones I invested in.

But it is very telling that so many of our elites are very selective when they actually like competition and the market. There is a bill being introduced this week by Charles Rangel, God give us strength, that will make it the stockholders responsibility to approve CEO compensation. Why in the world did that have to come from the democratic party? Take a look at the money and all becomes clear. Now that is sad.

And while we're on the subject of when we like markets and when we don't, the same line of reasoning will tell you exactly why free market republicans are so intent on seemingly destroying the manufacturing base in this country. It is easy to get filthy rich by investing in foreign companies who do not compete on an even playing field and are practically guarenteed to increase stock price geometrically. They start worth very little and become very valuable at a fast rate. And Wall Street has made billions on it at our expense.

Same with our insane immigration policies. Again, Phyllis Schafly had a very strongly worded article on Bill Gates and his crocodile tears performance in front of congress recently about needing technically proficient immigrants. We have a ton technical workers ready to go to work right now, he just doesn't like paying what the market demands.

Unions are not the reason manufacturing has gone offshore. Hell, North Carolina has been absolutely decimated by outsourcing in the last 5 years. And to the best of my knowledge they weren't union as a rule and did not make extravagent wages. The men and women of these plants were just collateral damage. Wall Street and their puppets in congress had a vested interest in seeing new companies worth very little get the work and become very valuable almost overnight. After their growth stagnates they'll unload the stock on the rest of us and move on to new areas and do the same thing.

Will

Spencer Abrahams (D MI) pushed heavily to import engineering students to MI from 3rd world nations to eliminate a percieved shortage. We had college graduates who couldn't find a decent job at the time. What he didn't say was that the foriegn engineers were willing to work for wages equal to that of a manager at Burger King. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

There is a bill being introduced this week by Charles Rangel, God give us strength, that will make it the stockholders responsibility to approve CEO compensation. Why in the world did that have to come from the democratic party?


Wow....the logic differences between us is huge!!! You want the government to make new laws that fight capitalism. As an investor I doubt that you own a majority stake in anything so you are more like an employee than an owner. If the management is doing something you don't like mover your investment.....shareholders show their disapproval everyday this way. I have alot invested in many companies and I have never fretted what management did...if the investment did not perform well, I moved the investment.

TBaker5390: I do not see this law as a fight on capitalism. It is merely giving the power of the purse to the owners of the company and taking it away from a select group of company elites. That ~is~ capitalism my friend.

By your logic Teddy Roosevelt would have had no standing to interfere with the monopolies that plagued this country early in the last century. Wall Street has shown itself to be just as capable of corrupting the markets as congress ever was.

AJ, aint that a fact. And it is why you have trouble getting american kids to major in engineering now. They've seen the profession attacked and few want anything to do with it. Easier to become a lawyer.

Will

No since arguing with someone who thinks more laws is a good idea.

It's a stretch to think being a shareholder is truly the same as being an Owner...

Also a stretch, to think most shareholders are qualified to say anything about a prospective CEO coming onboard.

Shareholders simply have a right to sell their piece of the pie, for the going rate, whenever they like.

And that's what they should do, if they don't like the CEO/CFO/COO crap of the company.