All I know is that I liked having the 375 Ruger when I went after AK grizzly bears.
Exactly! But wait, some here say a 243"AI" would be enough given proper shot placement!
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
But I've never shot anything bigger than a bull elk, or a good size bear, and they weren't charging. Close yes, with a couple of bears, but not charging.
I've only shot one "charging" animal, a 245-pound feral boar which was going to die soon from my previous shot. One 150-grain Speer Grand Slam from my .270 Winchester through the shoulder stopped everything.
The brown bear guides and African PH's I know (and trust) best prefer cartridges from .375 H&H up. They say cartridges above .40 in caliber tend to slow charging animals enough to get in another shot, but even with really big rounds the only way to be certain of literally stopping a charge is to hit the central nervous system.
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All I know is that I liked having the 375 Ruger when I went after AK grizzly bears.
Exactly! But wait, some here say a 243"AI" would be enough given proper shot placement!
"I liked having" is emotional, and I understand the appeal! But that doesn't mean that anything less would not "be enough". Enough for what? Enough to kill, or enough to stop? Sure, a .243AI can kill a grizz, but it's not enough to stop it with certainty with vital hits every time. But then again, no shoulder-fired rifle is. When we talk about stopping a charge, we're really banking on sufficient penetration and marksmanship to break down the CNS. Even crunching bone isn't enough to stop large animals every time, without failure. As MILES implied, we may be able to guarantee a stop if we hit a bear in the body (non-CNS) with a 20mm...
I want some of those movie bullets. You know, the ones that when you get hit, it throws 'em through a wall, or makes 'em jump back 20 feet. That's not "stopping power but "reversing power.
An unemployed Jester, is nobody's Fool.
the only real difference between a good tracker and a bad tracker, is observation. all the same data is present for both. The rest, is understanding what you're seeing.
I want some of those movie bullets. You know, the ones that when you get hit, it throws 'em through a wall, or makes 'em jump back 20 feet. That's not "stopping power but "reversing power.
I want some of those movie bullets. You know, the ones that when you get hit, it throws 'em through a wall, or makes 'em jump back 20 feet. That's not "stopping power but "reversing power.
It's especially true for movie shotgun shells.
Yep, those are awesome.
An unemployed Jester, is nobody's Fool.
the only real difference between a good tracker and a bad tracker, is observation. all the same data is present for both. The rest, is understanding what you're seeing.
In the spirit of fun, I posit a Mk211 Raufoss from a .50 BMG like the BFMI M82 CQC would largely disassemble a brown bear; 20mm style.
Same vein: if someone will pay for the trip, hunt et al, I believe I could deck a large bull elephant with a brain shot from my Aimpoint sighted Kimber .308 w Barnes 110 TTSX.
All I know is that I liked having the 375 Ruger when I went after AK grizzly bears.
Exactly! But wait, some here say a 243"AI" would be enough given proper shot placement!
If you don't know, you don't know, and you don't know.
psychic obviously..
Originally Posted by Mule Deer
The brown bear guides and African PH's I know (and trust) best prefer cartridges from .375 H&H up. They say cartridges above .40 in caliber tend to slow charging animals enough to get in another shot, but even with really big rounds the only way to be certain of literally stopping a charge is to hit the central nervous system.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
All I know is that I liked having the 375 Ruger when I went after AK grizzly bears.
Exactly! But wait, some here say a 243"AI" would be enough given proper shot placement!
And some here can say that a .260 Remington was enough. "Was," not "would be."
Go right ahead. My point, which obviously many here miss, is there is no doubt shot placement is #1, but... as I said, go right ahead...
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Why would someone want to shoot such a big stupid animal...
My guess is not to eat it...
Then you'd be guessing wrong. EVERY BIT of that animal will be consumed, either by the hunting party or the local villages adjacent to or in the concession where the animal is taken. It's mandatory. Further, hippos kill more people than any other animal in Africa except crocs and of course mosquitoes.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
I thought he was referring and responding to the video. As to brown (or any bear), I'll just take the rug...
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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