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Took out my first 99. F Takedown 250 / 3000 to the range today. She sports a marbles buckhorn sight.
That bitch was belle of the ball!
WOW!
What a nice shooter she is!
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Show us a picture of it.
How long is it's barrel, how much does it weigh, what's the twist?
All guns should be locked up when not in use!
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John, 87's or 100's? My 1919 250/3000 rifle likes the 100's. When I bought the EG in 250 I planned on making that my dedicated 87 grain rifle, but haven't got around to it yet, Joe.
I'm not greedy, I just want one of each.
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I don't do pictures. This is a late 20 s takedown F. I was shooting 100 grain Remington factory. The rifle is in rough shape wood wise, I had a new BLR 308 takedown , a WW II 8 x 57 refurbished Mauser iron issue sights, and this roughed up model F. During this shooting session.
Tightest group at 50 yards. The F
Most smiles per bang. The F
Least amount of hiccups or trouble to operate. The F
Most confidence in weapon getting the Job done. The F
Easiest to take down. The F
The model F is a winnner winner stupid chicken dinner.
Now to try out the 1899 H in 303 savage.
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They're like '67 ford pickup trucks. Not much to look at and few creature comforts, but they work.
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John, 87's or 100's? My 1919 250/3000 rifle likes the 100's. When I bought the EG in 250 I planned on making that my dedicated 87 grain rifle, but haven't got around to it yet, Joe. Joe, What's the twist on your 1919 250/3000? Just wondering since it likes 100 grain bullets. I have a 1917 with a 1-14 twist that I haven't shot yet, and hope it will group well enough for deer at 100 yds with 100 grain Hornadys. I'm still in the learning stage BTW.
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All Savage built 250-3000 rifles prior to 1960 were cataloged with 1-14" ROT barrels. How close to 1-14" Savage actually cut the rifling is a matter of some debate, as their manufacturing tolerances weren't quite a tight as your would expect in 2017.
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Add to that the length of current 100 grain spitzers, and factor in your elevation above sea level, temperature, humidity, and you get an idea why "some do and some don't". Likely too is the fact that bughole groups up close can get exponentially bigger as distance increases, outside the expected "MOA ratio" due to bullets slowing down but rotation remaining the same. Lots of factors at play. I think that 100 grain success in older Savages boils down to Remington Corelocts and not much else. (Which is ok, as Corelocts are still a dandy choice for deer whacking, as long as they remain available.)
Personally, I think that 87 grainers are fine for the use most of us put .250's to. An extra 13 grains weight isn't going to make a gnat's breath of difference when the bullet smacks into the chest of an animal. In addition, why limit oneself to one make/weight of bullet? I doubt Remington will continue making 100gr. .25 caliber Corelocts forever. Once we greybeards shuffle off the grid, who remains to buy them?
Sometimes I think we loonies fret too much about such things.
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Add to that the length of current 100 grain spitzers, and factor in your elevation above sea level, temperature, humidity, and you get an idea why "some do and some don't". Likely too is the fact that bughole groups up close can get exponentially bigger as distance increases, outside the expected "MOA ratio" due to bullets slowing down but rotation remaining the same. Lots of factors at play. I think that 100 grain success in older Savages boils down to Remington Corelocts and not much else. (Which is ok, as Corelocts are still a dandy choice for deer whacking, as long as they remain available.)
Personally, I think that 87 grainers are fine for the use most of us put .250's to. An extra 13 grains weight isn't going to make a gnat's breath of difference when the bullet smacks into the chest of an animal. In addition, why limit oneself to one make/weight of bullet? I doubt Remington will continue making 100gr. .25 caliber Corelocts forever. Once we greybeards shuffle off the grid, who remains to buy them?
Sometimes I think we loonies fret too much about such things. For as long as Speer makes the 87 grain HotCores I think that owners of 1-14" ROT .257" bore rifles who handload will be in good shape for shooting their antelope and deer. That said, I'll never understand why Winchester/USRA decided to use a 1-14" ROT when they made their one year run of Model 70 Lightweight Carbines in 250 Savage in 1986. I shoot the old 75 grain Barnes Original X bullets for deer in that rifle and a 1-14" ROT 25 WSSM that I put together in 2006 as a dedicated pdog rifle. When I was a kid, Remington sold a 100 grain RNCL factory load and, maybe, component bullets that were probably intended for use in 1-14" ROT rifles. During the same time frame, Winchester/Olin sold 87 grain Pointed Soft Point and 100 grain Silvertip factory loads, and also component bullets, for the 250-3000 and 257 Roberts. I still have a few white boxes of the Winchester/Olin ammo that I bought for $5 per box of twenty back in the early 1980's at the Outdoor Recreation Sportsman's store on Fort Riley, KS.
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260 were you in the Big Red One at Ft. Riley?
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260 were you in the Big Red One at Ft. Riley? Yes, I'm a BRO vet. 1/2 inf., 1/18 inf., and 1/4 cav. I probably overpaid for a few guns at Pat's in Ogden.
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John, 87's or 100's? My 1919 250/3000 rifle likes the 100's. When I bought the EG in 250 I planned on making that my dedicated 87 grain rifle, but haven't got around to it yet, Joe. Joe, What's the twist on your 1919 250/3000? Just wondering since it likes 100 grain bullets. I have a 1917 with a 1-14 twist that I haven't shot yet, and hope it will group well enough for deer at 100 yds with 100 grain Hornadys. I'm still in the learning stage BTW. As said above, all the pre 1960 rifles are 1-14. I'm taking 2 of my 250's to the Savage Get To-Gether this weekend. I'm hoping they have a long range to see how far the 100's will reach out and touch something. I'll take pics and post results. My longest measured shot was 187 yards. My cousin calls it the "Bingo" deer. We watched it for a good while, then it started walking back into the woods. He said, "You should have shot it." Then he walked over behind his trailer to pee. While he was out of sight, the deer walked back out, so I shot it. When I squeezed the trigger the thing bounced straight up in the air, and flopped down. It's tail twitched a few times and that was it. When it hit the ground I yelled Bingo. I'm taking the 1919 250/3000 rifle with factory sights and my 1950 R with a Redfield 2-7, Joe.
I'm not greedy, I just want one of each.
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260 were you in the Big Red One at Ft. Riley? Yes, I'm a BRO vet. 1/2 inf., 1/18 inf., and 1/4 cav. I probably overpaid for a few guns at Pat's in Ogden. I was in the 1st of the 28th at Phouc Vinh RVN 66'-67' . Glad to know you.
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They're like '67 ford pickup trucks. Not much to look at and few creature comforts, but they work. Hey, the 67 Ford PU is a classic. Along with the 53-56, 1940 and 1935 pickups!
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I think Ford pickups peaked in1979. Then again in 2000 or so.
Mo Par. .Cummings Mopar 4 me thank U very much.o
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I had an 86 standard cab Forest Service rig with a straight six that was a favorite. I like straight sixes. They have the torque where you need it for cruising around the woods. But heck if I know what they have to do with "99 F 250-3000s" other than they can make a good pairing.
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