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...about calling it quits with the Campfire. What started out as a venue for discussing guns, shooting, hunting, fishing has turned into an alt-right platform for a lot of venomous attacks on people for no reason other than that they're different. The Hunter's Campfire forum has devolved into a nest of vipers, bigots, and narrow minded-ness. That doesn't define the folks here on our Savage forum, don't get me wrong- I love you guys! I just can't identify with a web site that is so mean spirited. That isn't me. Any of you who know me will agree that I'm a pretty laid back and open minded kind of guy, willing to listen to opposing viewpoints, sees humor in the foibles of mankind, and willing to admit when I am wrong.

There are those who frequent this web site who feel the need to politicize everything, who hate the majority of U.S. citizens (who don't fit their narrow definition of "correctness"), and who simply hate because, well, that's what haters do.

The internet has revolutionized communication, and all too often has become a substitute for personal analysis. Vile ideas can take root and grow at the speed of light, literally.

Right to free speech you say? Absolutely, but that right doesn't extend to yelling fire in a crowded theater, or using that right to abrogate other's rights. The Supreme Court has ruled thusly.

So, I'm thinking of packing up my bed roll and finding other more sunnier climes before the mast head sports an image of a white-hooded "patriot".

I really am thinking the same thing. We need to find away to keep in touch though. Has any one tried the ignore mode here to lower the troll density?

In essence, I agree with all you say Gary. I used to look at other forums on the 'Fire but gave it up altogether. I see no reason to toss the baby out with the bath though. I restrict my viewing to the Savage forum and let it go at that. I have no desire to expose myself to yet another internet venue where such behavior will occur sooner or later.

Keep it simple and ignore that which offends you is my solution.

With that, and 5 bucks, you can get a coffee...

No doubt plenty of right and left stupid on the campfire. Can't fix stupid, but we have an ignore button to make it go away. Need a way to boot those that have an over abundance of ignores against them, myself included. Appreciate your contribution's to the threads and hope you will remain. GW

There's no question that the vitriol has worsened and accelerated, not only here, but in every public forum, and it is largely built on the built-in anonymity of internet chat-sites..., but leave the 'fire? Ya can't! We need You!

How about just not viewing or contributing to those threads? How about being the voice of reason and responsibility that calls out those that hide behind their internet masks. We could boycott those threads and draw attention to a more balanced response..., or maybe start a new gun and knife forum for ourselves.

I suspect the campfire is ultimately a victim of it's own success, having reached it's own tower-of-Babel critical mass, it must fall.

I fully understand your feelings. The main Hunter's forum has become a joke with the amount of over the top racism on display, a good chunk of those guys would be kicked off of any other site. Probably have a couple dozen on ignore and there's probably 50 more that should be. Other forums aren't so bad, this one is definitely one of the best.

I suppose there will come a time to divorce myself from a website if it starts picking up a reputation as a home for white supremacists. I don't know if we're at that point or not, definitely not in respect to this forum.

I'm outta here too gnohaaa,Good Luck

I agree with Lightfoot, ...baby/bath water.

Small man big type syndrome is lame.
The number of sites I participate in is a very low single digit number for that reason.
The Savage Collector forum is self patrolled fairly well with an occasional show of "passion".

I've tried to persuade folks to clean it up on some other sites. In person you have a chance, typing is futile unless you possess the "user delete" button.

I have never used the "ignore" button, for I always felt every man is entitled to his say. Perhaps I really should re-think that.

Everybody needs to do what they feel is best.

Just because somebody in my town isn't on par with my viewpoints doesn't mean I am going to move out of my town. If you avoid the areas that posts this stuff, you will almost never see it. My gut tells me that you went looking for it, found it and now telling us what you are going to possibly do. My suggestion is to keep out of the Hunters Campfire section and you will almost never see what bothers you. Ever.

For me, I am staying because I like it. Met some fantastic people here. When that changes, I am history.

I use the Ignore Button often. A man has a right to write and say what he wants. You have my vote on that one. But he doesn't have a right for me to listen or read what he has to say. They know who they are.

Also...

Losing you Gary would be a big loss for the Savage Collectors forum. And I am sure the other areas of the site that you participate in. You have a wealth of knowledge that a lot of people have used to their benefit.

I really haven't much of an idea of what is currently going on in other sub-forums, for years I have seldom looked beyond this one because of what I saw in them years ago that I didn't like. I had participated in several forums on different sites years ago but found them all lacking in knowledgeable people and in content, it is unfortunate that what is going on outside this group may cause some to leave, I know some have already left or seldom participate anymore, but when doing a search for Savage information a high percentage of the information found links back to this site, and many of the other links are not worth reading.

Through here is where much of the new research has came from and where much of the old has been compiled, corrected and added to.

This is the only forum on the 'Fire that I read. I look at forums like listening to the radio, if I don't like it, I change the channel or turn it off. The only reason that other stuff survives is because there are enough idiots to feed it. Cut that off, and it withers and dies.

I enjoy reading here and don't post often, but you leaving will leave a hole that will be hard to fill.

Hope you change your mind.

Blitz

Gary you would be a Great loss here! , but I have to say Iv also been thinking of leaveing. going to stick it out awhile longer, but getting tired of the internet, and this site is hell on Computers. Take care friend!

Gary, you and I have never had a conversation, but I must tell you that I'm eternally amazed at your knowledge and insight about all things gunny ... and especially Savages.

No matter what you decide about your continued presence on this forum, please know that you have my utmost respect.

And, yeah, I agree with you about the 24HCF. It has devolved into slime pit and most of the wonderful camaraderie that we had many years ago is now gone. The Savage Collectors forum is civil, but only because you guys are the best!!!!

I seldom post these days. And when I do, I'm usually verbally attacked in short order. Personally, I wonder about the motivation there ... maybe hated of gun writers, successful folks or whatever.

Anyway, Gary, I simply had to tell you that you have my respect and I totally admire your knowledge and many wonderful skills. I consider you a friend that I've never met.

All the best,

Steve Timm

I just tend to ignore the the one that blather the most. Still a trove of knowledge on her so I try to absorb some of the good stuff.

Don't let people run you off, it just gives them a win.

I for one would be hugely lonely and lost if the good people with knowledge packed up and moved to another mountain

Yes there is a lot of tripe on any forum these days, people have lost the art of face to face communicating but still need to feel important
like being on a committee some people love the sound of their own voice

The ones talking about packing up their bed rolls are the ones that I listen to and being half a world away where else do I go for the knowledge
that you good people are willing to share

Sometime one just has to roll the eyes up uderstanding that hopefully the children will one day mature

Cheers from down under
Graham

I'm also one who limits my participation on this website, with the majority of my attention paid to the Savage Collectors forum. It's crazy, but it seems like those who need it the most never learn to hit the kill switch in their skulls for voicing their inner monologues. Best of luck in your decision but know that your contributions will be missed if you decide to follow the path out of here.

GARY, you're one of the last reasons I'm still here! You're an absolute hoot to read, seem to be a hell of an individual, and I enjoy your posts VERY MUCH. Guys like you make the forum interesting and informative. I also complimented Calhoun the other day for tirelessly welcoming new posters and answering questions so reliably. He's one of the first that welcomed me back in the day and he's still doing it. Mr Reliable. While we all have our little disagreements, not many take it too far, and most are eager to make amends. The one's that can't make amends I say good riddance. Miserable SOB's anyway. You know who you are.