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I am a bit surprised that Doug is silent on this as it seems he/they "created" a chunk of the demand, at least here...
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I like the Vortex stuff I have and have used. I have had to send some stuff back for repair I won't deny that. But atleast I know if my Vortex stuff breaks or if I break it, I can send it back and get it fixed. I haven't looked at Leupold or Nikon or any other brands in a long time besides Burris, but last time I looked, if they broke, I would have to fix em on my dime whether my fault or theirs. For me a warranty is gold. I don't have the income to replace my gear due to accidents or no fault of my own. So I now buy based on warranty as long as what I am purchasing works well for my eyes and is quality I can afford and not crap. Vortex to me so far has treated me well. I'll keep using them until their quality and or warranty goes to complete crap. An believe me I have been blessed to use the big three, Minox and various other optic brands. So I tend to buy what my eyes like and what I have experienced first hand, not what some 'pro" suggests is what I need. I hope the truth comes out soon on this topic. I'd be interested to know. Altho I'll still be a Vortex purchaser but have been leaning a lot toward Burris. No need for new stuff yet tho.
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I like the Vortex stuff I have and have used. I have had to send some stuff back for repair I won't deny that. But atleast I know if my Vortex stuff breaks or if I break it, I can send it back and get it fixed. I haven't looked at Leupold or Nikon or any other brands in a long time besides Burris, but last time I looked, if they broke, I would have to fix em on my dime whether my fault or theirs. For me a warranty is gold. I don't have the income to replace my gear due to accidents or no fault of my own. So I now buy based on warranty as long as what I am purchasing works well for my eyes and is quality I can afford and not crap. Vortex to me so far has treated me well. I'll keep using them until their quality and or warranty goes to complete crap. An believe me I have been blessed to use the big three, Minox and various other optic brands. So I tend to buy what my eyes like and what I have experienced first hand, not what some 'pro" suggests is what I need. I hope the truth comes out soon on this topic. I'd be interested to know. Altho I'll still be a Vortex purchaser but have been leaning a lot toward Burris. No need for new stuff yet tho. Since when has there EVER been a problem with Leupold's warranty?
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I haven't looked at Leupold or Nikon or any other brands in a long time besides Burris, but last time I looked, if they broke, I would have to fix em on my dime whether my fault or theirs. That is news to me.
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I haven't looked at Leupold or Nikon or any other brands in a long time besides Burris, but last time I looked, if they broke, I would have to fix em on my dime whether my fault or theirs. For me a warranty is gold. I don't have the income to replace my gear due to accidents or no fault of my own. So I now buy based on warranty When did Leupold cease to be the gold standard on warranty, no fault, no questions, no BS???
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I haven't looked at Leupold or Nikon or any other brands in a long time besides Burris, but last time I looked, if they broke, I would have to fix em on my dime whether my fault or theirs. . You, sir, are incorrect. Very incorrect.
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I haven't looked at Leupold or Nikon or any other brands in a long time besides Burris, but last time I looked, if they broke, I would have to fix em on my dime whether my fault or theirs. . You, sir, are incorrect. Very incorrect. It seems like Leupold, Bushnell, and Vortex are "no fault" companies now. There may be more.
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I'll never buy another Vortex product in my life.
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I am not sure this has been posted on here before, but the news is Vortex is now having all of their optics made in China.
The Razor and Viper binoculars at least have been made in Japan, for many years.
This is not good news.
How is the Razor going to compete with all of the nice midrange binoculars, such as the Zeiss Conquest HD, Leica Trinovid, GPO, Maven, Tract, Monarch HD, Meopta Meostar. They are all made in Japan or Europe.
These are all in the $999.00 range.
Who is going to pay that for a China made Razor ? Question is, would you pay $600 for that bino made in China?
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I wouldn't. The Tract Toric is at least as good for $650. It's a high quality, high performing glass made in Japan.
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Sellers experencing super high return on their investment. The reason they are so promoted by some dealers. Chinese slave labor turns out their junk for pennies on the dollar. Less than scrupleous dealers love this advantage.
Simmons would have one believe they were located in Thomasville, GA. As far as their warranty and scope manfacture that was just as much bullshit. See where they are now.
Loved the Vortex comparison to a toilet flush. 😱
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I recently bought a Viper PST Gen-2, and its a badass scope...made in Philippines.
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I recently bought a Viper PST Gen-2, and its a badass scope...made in Philippines. Let's hear the details! Tracking, RTZ, adjustments and glass all good? John
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I wouldn't. The Tract Toric is at least as good for $650. It's a high quality, high performing glass made in Japan. China or Japan ... almost no difference. The Japanese are only producing cheaper, lower quality copies of the EURO makers. It's all about the glass and the R&D. Sorry, but there are only three countries where they make a high-quality glass. Germany, Austria and Czech Republic (MeOpta). Everything else is cheap, low-end glass. Not sure about the US makers but my guess is that even the high-end glass is sourced from the Euro makers and their products are assembled here.
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Vortex warranty with keep them in the top five optic dealers for a long time.
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I wouldn't. The Tract Toric is at least as good for $650. It's a high quality, high performing glass made in Japan. China or Japan ... almost no difference. The Japanese are only producing cheaper, lower quality copies of the EURO makers. It's all about the glass and the R&D. Sorry, but there are only three countries where they make a high-quality glass. Germany, Austria and Czech Republic (MeOpta). Everything else is cheap, low-end glass. Not sure about the US makers but my guess is that even the high-end glass is sourced from the Euro makers and their products are assembled here. How does Kowa make one of the finest spotting scopes in the world then? About 75% of your post proves you know zero about which you are talking about.
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Vortex warranty with keep them in the top five optic dealers for a long time. That's the only reason.
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I wouldn't. The Tract Toric is at least as good for $650. It's a high quality, high performing glass made in Japan. China or Japan ... almost no difference. The Japanese are only producing cheaper, lower quality copies of the EURO makers. It's all about the glass and the R&D. Sorry, but there are only three countries where they make a high-quality glass. Germany, Austria and Czech Republic (MeOpta). Everything else is cheap, low-end glass. Not sure about the US makers but my guess is that even the high-end glass is sourced from the Euro makers and their products are assembled here. How does Kowa make one of the finest spotting scopes in the world then? About 75% of your post proves you know zero about which you are talking about. You can insult all you want. Kowa is just another Japanese maker that that is copying the Euro glass. Maybe even sourcing the glass from them. I would compare it to Lexus in the car industry. Just an upgraded Toyota. No thanks Why would I spend $3K+ on Kowa spotting scope when I can get the MeOpta S2 for way less and the quality of the glass is maybe even better. Heck, I would even rather buy the Cabelas Euro spottings scope for $1800 which is close to half price of the Kowa and you get rebranded S2. If I'm spending over $3K, I can probably afford to buy Swaro, Zeiss etc. Sorry, you will never see an upgraded Toyota in my garage or a Kowa spotting scope in my gear bag.
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I wouldn't. The Tract Toric is at least as good for $650. It's a high quality, high performing glass made in Japan. China or Japan ... almost no difference. The Japanese are only producing cheaper, lower quality copies of the EURO makers. It's all about the glass and the R&D. Sorry, but there are only three countries where they make a high-quality glass. Germany, Austria and Czech Republic (MeOpta). Everything else is cheap, low-end glass. Not sure about the US makers but my guess is that even the high-end glass is sourced from the Euro makers and their products are assembled here. How does Kowa make one of the finest spotting scopes in the world then? About 75% of your post proves you know zero about which you are talking about. Agreed, Shaky does not know much at all about what he is talking about. Some of the best optics in the world are made in Japan. I will not give a lesson, on what models, as I don't think he would comprehend, and is someone with little experience. Welcome to the Fire, Shaky, but don't try to blow smoke out of your azz...!
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