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yep, fundamentally a lethal dose of bullet is just that, lethal...there aint different measures of 'lethal'.



about as much as the theory of 'knock-down' power...and about as absurd,..

but I've noticed the thread has already drifted over from hunting bullets to the LHC
and theory of atomic/subatomic quantum mechanics and abyss of anti-matter...

Another great example of Coyote Hunter trying to baffle with bull shat.

I find it pretty amusing that people deny that energy is directly related to an object's ability to do work but then insist its velocity is. As I've shown, velocity alone does nothing.

If you have a particular bullet and want to insist its velocity matters, only then are you correct because you are also talking about a particular mass as well as velocity - i.e. energy.

Some people will never get it.

That's right. You're one of the only ones who "gets it."

Ain't that something?

Most children get it intuitively, based on their play. Some adults, like you apparently, are incapable of getting it.

If you're talking about whatever it is that causes you to spew page after page of irrelevant bullsh**, I hope I never get it.

what?

mass x velocity = Force (ie; F= mass x accel.) A concise statement of Isaac Newton's Second Law of Motion.
Force has both magnitude and direction.

energy has no direction, but when an object's velocity increases, so does its energy.
Energy is the ability to do work. Force is said to do work, spending energy in the process.

you require something to be accomplished for it to be considered work.(ie; if you spend energy trying
to move an object and it doesnt move, you have not done any work). yet If you lift a hammer but dont
drive a nail, you still have done work simply by lifting the hammer.

Work = Force x Distance.

Momentum (time dependent) measures the 'motion content' of an object (mass in motion) and is based
on the product of an object's mass and velocity.(force).
Momentum being time dependent, means the longer a force is applied, the amount of momentum increases.

I wont quantify precisely how much , but I know for fact that less energy transfer can prove more effective.
ie; a solid that does the work/task required of it and exits ,vs, a soft with the same energy on impact
that then fails to do the work/task required, but still spends all its energy coming to a stop in the animal.

Could you please post up a few pages of ballistics tables? You and coyote hunter could keep this thread alive for at least the rest of hunting season. I don't feel that all the nuances of quantum physics have been thoroughly explored yet.

Thanks!

quantum physics?..not quite, ..Ok I will try make it easier.(if thats possible)

180gn .30cal solid that reaches an area of an animal doing the required damage and exits
vs
180gn .30cal soft of equal impact energy that arrrests and doesnt reach the area of the animal
to do the required damage.

conclusion: the solid spending less energy within proved the more effective projectile.

so one could say less is more, (well, more or less that is)...

It's just not a good enough explanation without some tables. Preferably with the KE calculated up to the speed of light. And charts.

I thought u guys were going bow hunting?

Is it this weekend yet?

But thanks for remembering.

Ok I been calculating and I got wi if so here it comes.

This is an observation of the data recorded from nosler book...fifth edition.

It pertains to the 308 Winchester case.........perhaps an imperfect bastardized case.....from the most perfect 300 savage!

I looked at the 243, 260 R.E.M., 7 mm 08, the 308 win and the manly 358 Winchester.

I considered the nosler partition offerings.

I averaged the top published velocities and averaged them. I also ranked sectional density and did an energy comparison.

TOP Velocity was the
260 rem. 100 grain

TOP energy was the
358 Winchester 180 grain

TOP sectional density

200 grain 308

140 grain 260

160 grain7 08

180 308

150 7 08

125 260

165 308 and 140 7 08 a tie at .248

The 100 grain 243 was .242

Top energy of the top sectional ensty bullets

165 grain 308

180 grain 308

200 grain 308

150 grain 708

160 grain 708

140 grain 708

The 125 and 140 260 were tied at the bottom.

There was an 11 percent difference in energy.

There was a 19 percent difference in velocity.

Very interesting.

These were calculations that I did in the man cave before the evening hunt. So they may be in error.