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Kowa TSN-883 Spotting Scope

Kowa TSN-883 Spotting ScopeThe TSN-880 series is the larger of the two newest scope lines from Kowa. We've reviewed scopes before. We've reviewed Kowa scopes before. We've never seen anything like this scope before! We received the angled fluorite model TSN-883 ("Prominar", for those of you familiar with Kowa terminology) for review from Kowa along with the TSN-773. These are 88- and 77-mm objective lens size scopes respectively. The TSN-773 will be reviewed in another article. First impressions mean a lot in this game, and the new TSN-883 makes a big one - the view through this optic is breath-taking and unbelievably bright and crisp. In short, we really liked it.

Physically, the TSN-883 is a very compact 13.5 inches long (without eyepiece) and weighs in at just over 3 lbs (53.6 oz.). For an objective this size, that weight is impressive - it's actually lighter than some 77-to-82-mm scopes on the market, thanks to its magnesium alloy casing. The body is fully sealed, nitrogen-purged and completely waterproof. So are the eyepieces! The eyepieces lock in place, with a push-button release mechanism. The lens hood pulls straight out, and as always, we recommend using it, if only to protect the objective lens from potential damage by scratching or whatever. Beyond a shallow double groove on the hood, the TSN-883 has no device to enable sighting.

When we reviewed the new Kowa scopes, we pulled out the best instruments from other manufacturers that we had in stock. While we won't tell you what the competitor models were (we still have friends at those companies…), we will say right out that the 883 and 773 blew away everything else in their class. By that we mean, these are simply the finest spotting scopes we’ve seen yet. It was a revelation in the field. The degree of detail visible was simply astounding with characteristics of feather wear so clear you would think you were staring at a museum specimen. The image brightness and clarity were riveting. We tried hard to find things wrong with these scopes, and it was really difficult to do. The image stays razor sharp right to the very edge of the field. There is no zone of blurriness, no distortion, no image-bending - nothing. We did note that at the very edge of the field on a bright, high contrast object, there was the slightest hint of color-fringing. So what? The effect is very minor, and very difficult to detect unless you’re looking specifically for it. It’s unlikely to affect a user in any way. Like we said, we had to work hard for this! The colors were absolutely true with no detectable bias. In failing light, the image was remarkably bright at 60x, delivering detail that wasn't even visible in other high end scope models we compared it to. The image quality is so high that it is difficult to write about without sounding like we're gushing.


The rest of the review can be found here, http://www.optics4birding.com/kowa-tsn-883-spotting-scope-review.aspx



http://www.rokslide.com/gear/optics/261-swarovski-atx85-kowa-884

Pretty good review, That being said, the 95mm is better than the 85mm (yes I've owned both).

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To wrap it up, if you were to compare German glass to Japanese glass at the same price range, Germany would still win 99%


What are you smoking? The Bushnell 6500 4 1/2-30X50 goes for less than $900. The cheapest I paid for one of the four Swarovski z5 5-25-50 was $1,350. The most was $1,575. The Zeiss was $1,100 on closeout. You don't know what you're talking about.


You are trying to compare apples to oranges. Swaro does not have a $900 scope because they are not in the mass market category.

Again, Bushnell vs Swarovski is like comparing Chevy with Mercedes or Porsche. Or have you ever seen a car magazine comparing those two?

If you want to compare Bushnell to something, you need to pick some other Chinese made entry level brand. (Vortex anyone?)

Yeah, the 6500 is maybe not bad, but again, it would be a loaded Chevy that drives nice and has all the features vs Porsche.

Just not comparable, sorry.

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Shaky, do you own any high end optics ? And also why you are such a snob.

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Originally Posted by Farmboy1
Shaky, do you own any high end optics ? And also why you are such a snob.



Snob? All I said was that Japan and China are almost no difference and then the Kowa brand came up and others start to compare Kowa with the German brands.

And yes, I do own some very nice glass but I do also have a Bushnell on one backup rifle and a Vortex rimfire scope on one rimfire but that is not the point.

The point is that you can't compare apples with oranges and if you want a high-end hunting optics, Germans do have the upper hand for most applications.

The mid level stuff, almost anybody can assemble a decent product from a glass they probably sourced somewhere in Europe and therefore, there is almost no difference between the China and Japan. (maybe the QC is better in Japan but that's all)

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Originally Posted by ShakyHands
Originally Posted by Ringman
Originally Posted by ShakyHands
To wrap it up, if you were to compare German glass to Japanese glass at the same price range, Germany would still win 99%


What are you smoking? The Bushnell 6500 4 1/2-30X50 goes for less than $900. The cheapest I paid for one of the four Swarovski z5 5-25-50 was $1,350. The most was $1,575. The Zeiss was $1,100 on closeout. You don't know what you're talking about.


You are trying to compare apples to oranges. Swaro does not have a $900 scope because they are not in the mass market category.

Again, Bushnell vs Swarovski is like comparing Chevy with Mercedes or Porsche. Or have you ever seen a car magazine comparing those two?

If you want to compare Bushnell to something, you need to pick some other Chinese made entry level brand. (Vortex anyone?)

Yeah, the 6500 is maybe not bad, but again, it would be a loaded Chevy that drives nice and has all the features vs Porsche.

Just not comparable, sorry.


Sorry? I think stupid is better since you apparently can't learn. But then maybe you are suckering me. Enjoy the rest of your posts. One last thing: A mid-range European $1,500 Swarovski z5 can't keep up with a low level Japanese $900 Bushnell 6500. So far I have yet to find any Vortex at any price with glass as good as the Bushnell 6500 4 1/2-30X50.


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Originally Posted by ShakyHands
Originally Posted by Ringman
Originally Posted by ShakyHands
To wrap it up, if you were to compare German glass to Japanese glass at the same price range, Germany would still win 99%


What are you smoking? The Bushnell 6500 4 1/2-30X50 goes for less than $900. The cheapest I paid for one of the four Swarovski z5 5-25-50 was $1,350. The most was $1,575. The Zeiss was $1,100 on closeout. You don't know what you're talking about.


You are trying to compare apples to oranges. Swaro does not have a $900 scope because they are not in the mass market category.

Again, Bushnell vs Swarovski is like comparing Chevy with Mercedes or Porsche. Or have you ever seen a car magazine comparing those two?

If you want to compare Bushnell to something, you need to pick some other Chinese made entry level brand. (Vortex anyone?)

Yeah, the 6500 is maybe not bad, but again, it would be a loaded Chevy that drives nice and has all the features vs Porsche.

Just not comparable, sorry.


I don't get this idea of not being able to compare things. Of course you can compare apples and oranges. Both are fruit, both are mostly round, one is rounder than another, they're different colors, etc. You can certainly compare one scope to another, regardless where it's made. Claiming otherwise shows a very limited thought process IMO.

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