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A few questions I had in my mind about the information the police had on the driver of the commercial driver and his rig.
1. Was it Enter or Intra State commerce.
2. Was license and health card up to date.
3.Was the vehicle inspection and daily inspection current.
4. Was log book up to date.
5. Was the vehicle overloaded.
It would seem to me if there was any discrepancies they would have obtained a warrant at the very beginning.
None of that was relevant in this case. Ed Any discrepancy or violation has to be causal to the accident to be admissible as evidence. Looking at the cop's dashcam videos shows absolutely no causality on the part of the burn victim. He was in the far lane, minding his own bidness when some mother's wayward son crossed all those lanes and hit him head-on. Kinda hard to place any causality on him. Unless it's now an offense to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Wouldn't put it past the friggin' bureaucrats to put that one in the DOT regs. Ed That's exactly it ed. According to DOT (and we can thank insurance comprise for it) He is partly at fault for simply being there
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Yeah...
but, but, but the cop was credentialed to take blood!
Epstein didn't kill himself.
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Biden didn't win the election.
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The agency where I used to work is 45 short if any of you want an easy job.
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The agency where I used to work is 45 short if any of you want an easy job. Is my NH certification any good on the TX coast  ?
�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
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Yeah...
but, but, but the cop was credentialed to take blood! Then the hospital "security" should have taken him around back and opened his punkin' up so he could take some of his own blood. Ed
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The agency where I used to work is 45 short if any of you want an easy job. Will I be able to arrest nurses down there? I couldn't help myself... :-( 
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
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The agency where I used to work is 45 short if any of you want an easy job. Is my NH certification any good on the TX coast ? Yup...If you can pass the test.
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The agency where I used to work is 45 short if any of you want an easy job. Are successful candidates able to draw blood on unconscious, happenstance citizens at will?
Epstein didn't kill himself.
"Play Cinnamon Girl you Sonuvabitch!"
Biden didn't win the election.
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A few questions I had in my mind about the information the police had on the driver of the commercial driver and his rig.
1. Was it Enter or Intra State commerce.
2. Was license and health card up to date.
3.Was the vehicle inspection and daily inspection current.
4. Was log book up to date.
5. Was the vehicle overloaded.
It would seem to me if there was any discrepancies they would have obtained a warrant at the very beginning.
None of that was relevant in this case. Ed Any discrepancy or violation has to be causal to the accident to be admissible as evidence. Looking at the cop's dashcam videos shows absolutely no causality on the part of the burn victim. He was in the far lane, minding his own bidness when some mother's wayward son crossed all those lanes and hit him head-on. Kinda hard to place any causality on him. Unless it's now an offense to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Wouldn't put it past the friggin' bureaucrats to put that one in the DOT regs. Ed That's exactly it ed. According to DOT (and we can thank insurance comprise for it) He is partly at fault for simply being there Really?
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
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The agency where I used to work is 45 short if any of you want an easy job. Free donuts? 
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
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The agency where I used to work is 45 short if any of you want an easy job. Free donuts? Obviously not. They have 45 openings.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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The agency where I used to work is 45 short if any of you want an easy job. Are successful candidates able to draw blood on unconscious, happenstance citizens at will? We don't draw blood. Ever. We know that blood will drawn regardless and subpoena the records. That's part of the problem...cops can't be expected to do everything.
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The agency where I used to work is 45 short if any of you want an easy job. Is my NH certification any good on the TX coast ? Yup...If you can pass the test. [bleep]..........I guess it'll have to be TN!! Laffin'!
�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
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The agency where I used to work is 45 short if any of you want an easy job. Free donuts? Obviously not. They have 45 openings. Donuts slow my roll. I prefer kolaches.
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As written, Utah’s law only permits an officer to conduct such a test where he has reasonable grounds to believe that a person from whom blood is to be taken was driving “while in violation of” the laws regarding driving under the influence of alcohol or other substances. In this case, the detective specifically lacked any such grounds, because the draw was being taken to show the opposite – that the driver was not under the influence. Utah’s implied consent law did not authorize this particular blood draw under these particular circumstances. This is a terrible legal analysis from a former federal judge turned law professor. The holding from the Supreme Court is clear that non-consensual blood draws require a warrant. As such, criminal "refusal" statutes are on their face unconstitutional and many have been voided as a result of the holding. Even if civil penalties for refusing are still permissible, getting warrantless blood draw under a such a statute would still invalidate the prosecution of any criminal case that would follow. So the default is that warrant is required for blood draw without consent. Period. End he is further wrong about the rationale of the nurse...she was relying on the agreement in place between the hospital and the police agency...not the law. I agree 100%, but what this means is that not only was the cop and the SLC PD in violation of the Constitution and a recent Supreme Court ruling, they were in violation of Utah law as well.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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Perhaps it's already been mentioned, but one irony of the whole ordeal is that the truck driver involved is also a reserve police officer of the Rigby, Idaho police department, who publically thanked nurse Wubbel for standing up for the rights of their colleague. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...ic-utah-nurse-for-defending-cop-patient. Had the arresting police officer or his supervisor known this at the time would their course of action been different? I wonder. The biggest failure of the arresting officer and his immediate supervisor is the one or both of them, when presented with hospital policy, should have realized that that the situation was over their heads and it needed to be resolved somewhere further up the chain of command. Clearly the nurse involved was not the one responsible for impeding their investigation, it was the hospital's policy. So arresting her for stating hospital policy makes no sense. This serious lack of judgment is why they should be disciplined.
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