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Seems S&W has re-designed the M&P Compact and sized it to compare to the G19... 'bout time!
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...eaked-smith-wesson-taking-glock-19-head/


I'll say this...it looks like a nice pistol.

You know, when I first saw the G19, I was impressed. I always thought Glock got that one oh-so right. And when other companies kept making 3.5" barreled compact autos, I just always thought they just missed the boat.

Sig was the first to recognize the brilliance of the G19, and brought out the 229 to compete with the Glock 19. Yeah, they had the 225 before, and the 228, but the 229 was their specific answer to the G19...and they were right, the Sig 229 did very well sales wise.

CZ finally came out with the P07, then the P10; and now S&W is bring out their Glock 19 analogue.

Umm, the 229 was Sig's platform for the 40 cal. Then the 357 Sig and lastly the 9mm. The 228 was around before the G19 best I remember so I'm not sure I'm following you.

You know...I do believe you're right... I guess I mis-remembered.

Why wouldn't I just buy the standard of excellence to which it is compared?

Glock still needs to make a single-stack 19.


Okie John

Not everyone will say it's the standard of excellence, most will say it works but almost anything will work these days.

I have had a few Glocks, a few Sigs and a few M&P's. I find the Sig 228 the easiest to shoot with the M&P next on the list. I see the new 2.0 M&P as a good thing just as I do the Gen 5 Glock, which I may try. Perfection is not a stopping point, it is merely a goal.

Glock 19 is not a bad gun by any measure, but I still vastly prefer my CZ 75D compact. Shoots better, holds 15 rounds, is more reliable and conceals better.

This. Also, for me, the G17 is the standard. I find the 19 doesn't provide enough grip length. I shoot my 17 noticeably better than my 19, and that half inch of extra grip length doesn't significantly alter its concealment potential, either.

Yep. Just lengthen the slide and grip of the 43. I imagine a lot of folks would find that just about ideal. I'd get one. It would have the concealment and carry-comfort characteristics of a super lightweight commander.

Not sure I agree with all that, but I love my CZ 75D Compact, too. I shoot the Glock just a bit better, though, so that's what I carry. Also, there's something about the CZ that causes the trigger to punch my trigger finger pad hard enough under recoil that after a hundred rounds or so, it gets a bit painful. One of my favorite carry handguns, though, still the same. Glock is still better, though.

I think the VP9 series isn't too shabby but I have not shot one yet. I don't understand why the VP9 SK doesn't hold a little more ammo it has a little longer grip. I guess its just not enough length though to add those 2 extra rounds.

Does the original and now 2.0 versions accept the same magazines?

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My sentiments exactly. There are some guns that just shoot and handle perfectly to me (4 5/8" New Vaquero and Colt 1911) and I'll look no further than those. I really like the original M&P 40 Compact except its abbreviated grip; the 2.0 appears to have corrected that. I definitely like the MP's grip angle better.

I'm in the process of establishing the 'perfect for me' plastic pistol and right now a Gen 2 G22 is a strong contender. With the trigger guard rounded up they IWB every bit as well as an unmodified, railed G23 and the Gen 2 grip texture is smooth enough to carry under a T shirt. There's also plenty of grip to grab for a hurried shot from concealment and it still is a usable farm/woods sidearm, carried holstered on the belt.

After ccw'ng a XD 40 service for years I find the G19 a blessing. It will be awhile before I get curious and look for something else. But when I really need concealed I pack the g 43.

Yep. Normally, it's the G17, but when concealment is the highest priority, the G43 gets my nod, too.

Isn't that a double-single trigger on the CZ? If so I just prefer a striker,or a very light DAO. I would like to ask though why you would say the CZ is more reliable.

A mystery, indeed.

In out of about 30 or more glocks 9's, 40's, 45's 10's I had one I bought used from my local gun store a G30 that failed to go into full battery about once every magazine. They swapped me out for another used one which was fine. I had a 228 and two 220's at one time but found I hated the double-single trigger action. Plastic striker fired guns are here to stay. Glocks based on my experience are reliable guns. I wish I had not sold my two Gen 2 model 23's now. As back before I knew any better I used to shoot lead gun show reloads through them, 180 grain lead round nose bullets...

on the other hand I find the MP intriguing as they seem to have fixed the trigger and SW was always a great company to do business with. This new model looks like a winner for them.

So, does the full size M&P FS still have the 4.25" barrel? Maybe that should extend to 4.5" now? With the longer barrel and frame the Compact has to be running really close to the regular FS model size.

What is the weight? And don't gen 3 glocks still come with 3 magazines?

So what is the attraction of the S&W (other than their service policy)?