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Looks like Ryan is hitting it out of the park. Surprising, not. Had a rifle recently built by Diablo Custom, an outfit no longer in business due to shoddy customer service, spotty communication and a sloth-like sense of urgency once the money had been collected. I figured I was one of the lucky ones because I got my completed rifle back after 2 months (promised 2 weeks), but it took a few strongly worded PM's on my part to get it out the door. I'm sure most of you have read the recent thread regarding Diablo.
The rifle shoots very well, but I just noticed the cerakote on the barrel is starting to come off. In spots you can actually scrap it off with a fingernail just as easily as a scratcher lottery ticket. The biggest spot is about the size of a nickel. What's up. Faulty prep? Maybe not cerakote? And my day was going so well...
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Looks like Ryan is hitting it out of the park. Surprising, not. Had a rifle recently built by Diablo Custom, an outfit no longer in business due to shoddy customer service, spotty communication and a sloth-like sense of urgency once the money had been collected. I figured I was one of the lucky ones because I got my completed rifle back after 2 months (promised 2 weeks), but it took a few strongly worded PM's on my part to get it out the door. I'm sure most of you have read the recent thread regarding Diablo.
The rifle shoots very well, but I just noticed the cerakote on the barrel is starting to come off. In spots you can actually scrap it off with a fingernail just as easily as a scratcher lottery ticket. The biggest spot is about the size of a nickel. What's up. Faulty prep? Maybe not cerakote? And my day was going so well... I just finished reading that thread, Diablo is a POS...someone needs to go "visit" him. How do scumbags like this not get arrested or shot ?
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But people can belittle me without even knowing me or my business or what's going on?? You guys are some real winners. I admitted when and where I was wrong. If people are going to call me out on my misdoings they better have the facts straight. They are hurting me and my families livelihood without being justified. Someone cries about one simple little thing that I openly admit where I was wrong and that I got in over my head and that I was doing things to make the situation better. ( see I took your advice before you even said it) and then some know it all that knows nothing of the situation chimes in to talk crap because he has nothing better to do then push people around while he sits behind a computer screen and then everyone jumps on the band wagon with out knowing the facts. Bottom line is this is out of control and uncalled for. Being a business owner or not, if someone is going to call the other person out the whole situation better be put on the table, not just little tidbits. Call me a whiner, a girl, whatever makes you fill better but I have justification for setting the story straight.
Rant over, have a good night
Starman, I agree with what your saying 100% and that's what I'm working towards Someone needs a safe space. Why does Larry even let you on the internet? I figured you and old bigstick were too busy making gay porn to be able to troll threads you know nothing about all the time. You still giving reach arounds for a POS? You've been stroking him since the get go. That tells MUCH about your integrity too, or lack of. What a POS.
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Seen guys like this before, take your money-> and then theyre off screwing around on their goddamm boat or wave runner or too busy smokin dope to get the work done.
Natural born swindler.
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Seen guys like this before, take your money-> and then theyre off screwing around on their goddamm boat or wave runner or too busy smokin dope to get the work done.
Natural born swindler. We call guy's like Diablo THIEVES here, he's no different than looters in a hurricane area to me.
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Hopefully he'll get on and explain how he's really a swell guy again...
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A good gunsmith is almost never a good buesness man....
Guns are not like taking your car in to a mechanic....car parts are over the shelf it at worst a day out.....guy parts however are weeks and months out...parts suppliers tool suppliers all lie about delivery times and on and on.....makes it impossible to schedule a thing...
Been through all this myself.....I love gunsmithing but hate the buesness....
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There is absolutely no excuse for a small businessman to be a poor businessman, gunmiths don't get dispensation for poor business practices. Every business has challenges and delays in receiving parts and in receiving payment. With email and some basic business software it is extremely easy to keep track of running a business, and communicate with customers in a timely manner. It just requires the discipline to put in a little bit of time each day to put time into overhead work and not get behind.
Where many gunsmiths go awry is when they take in work with a deposit, and use that deposit money to pay themselves before they've ordered the parts and before they've performed the work. Then suddenly they are out of cash, customers are breathing down their neck and they need to wait until a new customer sends in a deposit and then they use that deposit money to buy parts for the guys that have been waiting months and years for work.
There are a few gunsmiths that can perform top notch work, in a timely manner, and don't give you the runaround or hide when you call or email. Those are the gunsmiths to use.
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A good gunsmith is almost never a good buesness man....
Guns are not like taking your car in to a mechanic....car parts are over the shelf it at worst a day out.....guy parts however are weeks and months out...parts suppliers tool suppliers all lie about delivery times and on and on.....makes it impossible to schedule a thing...
Been through all this myself.....I love gunsmithing but hate the buesness.... They can still answer a fugging email or return a phone call. I'm thinking waiting for parts weren't the problem.
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A good gunsmith is almost never a good buesness man....
Guns are not like taking your car in to a mechanic....car parts are over the shelf it at worst a day out.....guy parts however are weeks and months out...parts suppliers tool suppliers all lie about delivery times and on and on.....makes it impossible to schedule a thing...
Been through all this myself.....I love gunsmithing but hate the buesness.... Oh stop the BS and get out a bit more... There is nothing special about being a gunsmith relative to any other business.... We all choose how to operate our service business relative to profit margin and we all make choices. Cry be a [bleep] river.... Signed - owner of a service business...
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A good gunsmith is almost never a good buesness man....
Guns are not like taking your car in to a mechanic....car parts are over the shelf it at worst a day out.....guy parts however are weeks and months out...parts suppliers tool suppliers all lie about delivery times and on and on.....makes it impossible to schedule a thing...
Been through all this myself.....I love gunsmithing but hate the buesness.... They can still answer a fugging email or return a phone call. I'm thinking waiting for parts weren't the problem. Exactly. This goes WAY beyond bad business.
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I've been waiting for a Jeep to get a tuneup and a 2" lift for three months. I could f'n kill that mechanic. It's not limited to gunsmiths.
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Screw the Diablo guy. Buy a Cooper. Dang nice rifles and accurate as the day is long.
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Screw the Diablo guy. Buy a Cooper. Dang nice rifles and accurate as the day is long. Yep, those 50 yard groups stuck on each gun look really small.  
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I read they are 35 yard groups on the Coopers, is that right?
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Trump Won!
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I have run across exactly one gunsmith that I would do repeat business with. I cannot recall one that fixed things the first time except this one and got it back to me ASAP. I never go by recommendations either FWIW.
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They are very short shot groups. Another eye opener is that Cooper doesn't just shoot three shots and send the group. They shoot
the rifle until they get a very small group and then send that one.
When I bought my first one I called Cooper about barrel break in recommendations. The response was that they have shot the rifle
enough that the barrel is well broken in.
What you are seeing in the box with the Cooper is marketing.
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Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.
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Fortunately I have one of the best gunsmith on the Westcoast Ken Genecco about five minutes from me.
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I think the language and tone of this discussion may be one of the reasons so many reasonable posters have left the fire.
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