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Many woods that do not measure up to ebony have common names that include "ebony."


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It is indeed a Buckeye. Apparently not good for anything. Thanks guys.


Ohio State fans are probably saying the same thing after the Sooners trounced them over the weekend.


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There was definitely an ass kicking in the horse shoe and the buckeyes furnished all of the ass. Looks like his pixie dust comment to Tom Herman kinda backfired on him. powdr

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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
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It is indeed a Buckeye. Apparently not good for anything. Thanks guys.

Obviously you never hit a buddy with one when you were growing up...
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You have not lived until you have been in a Buckeye fight with your buddies....We used to go Home bruised from Head to Toe.... crazy

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People used to carry buckeyes in their pocket for Good Luck.
Same as a rabbit's foot.


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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
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What is true ebony? My interest is piqued.

Ebony is a Genus of trees with very black wood.... Gaboon ebony is the most commonly used wood for making fore end tips on wood stocks. Persimmon has coal black heartwood, but not much of it. The sap wood is very white. Persimmon is extremely hard and heavy,, like black ebonies. It is used for making wood golf club heads. I saw a floor made of it at a golf country club and it was incredible.


Persimmon, cut and dried, makes some fine woodcutting wedges that won't tear up your chainsaw if you accidentally hit it. Dogwood, too.

I bet a persimmon floor would be impressive.

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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Originally Posted by KSMITH
What is true ebony? My interest is piqued.

Ebony is a Genus of trees with very black wood.... Gaboon ebony is the most commonly used wood for making fore end tips on wood stocks. Persimmon has coal black heartwood, but not much of it. The sap wood is very white.

Persimmon is extremely hard and heavy,, like black ebonies. It is used for making wood golf club heads. I saw a floor made of it at a golf country club and it was incredible.



Good info there Sd. My cousin has a fair sized 60-80 yr old one in his feedlot. I will tell him about that. Thanks.


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Originally Posted by poboy
People used to carry buckeyes in their pocket for Good Luck.
Same as a rabbit's foot.


Too bad Ohio football uniforms dont have pockets. smirk


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Originally Posted by poboy
People used to carry buckeyes in their pocket for Good Luck.
Same as a rabbit's foot.

I was given one as a youngster for good luck. I carried it for a long time before it escaped.


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Buckeyes and horse chestnuts aren't the same thing.
Buckeyes have 5 palmed leaves with pointed tips and the fruits are covered with spines. The buds are dry.
Horse chestnuts have 7 palmed leaves with rounded tips and the fruits have fewer spines than buckeyes. The buds are sticky.
Buckeye trees get taller. Buckeyes are native to the US while horse chestnuts were introduced from Europe.

Neither are edible. Supposedly you can boil buckeye seeds to remove the acid and they're safe to eat. I tried it one time with some horse chestnuts. After a couple hours of boiling, they were still far too bitter to even taste.

Persimmon leaves are alternate down the stem. They aren't palmated like the ones in this photo.


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Originally Posted by APDDSN0864
Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Originally Posted by KSMITH
What is true ebony? My interest is piqued.

Ebony is a Genus of trees with very black wood.... Gaboon ebony is the most commonly used wood for making fore end tips on wood stocks. Persimmon has coal black heartwood, but not much of it. The sap wood is very white. Persimmon is extremely hard and heavy,, like black ebonies. It is used for making wood golf club heads. I saw a floor made of it at a golf country club and it was incredible.


Persimmon, cut and dried, makes some fine woodcutting wedges that won't tear up your chainsaw if you accidentally hit it. Dogwood, too.

I bet a persimmon floor would be impressive.

Ed

If you are into that sort of thing, try to get your hands on a chunk of mountain mahogany... it is the only NA wood I would say trumps persimmon... and I am including both ironwood and cocabolo in that comparison. Mountain mahogany was tested for use in woodwind instruments but they could not find fasteners stronger than the wood when testing screw-holding ability.

Shuttles in woolen mills were exclusively made of persimmon forever because it never wore out...


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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Buckeyes and horse chestnuts aren't the same thing.
Buckeyes have 5 palmed leaves with pointed tips and the fruits are covered with spines. The buds are dry.
Horse chestnuts have 7 palmed leaves with rounded tips and the fruits have fewer spines than buckeyes. The buds are sticky.
Buckeye trees get taller. Buckeyes are native to the US while horse chestnuts were introduced from Europe.

Neither are edible. Supposedly you can boil buckeye seeds to remove the acid and they're safe to eat. I tried it one time with some horse chestnuts. After a couple hours of boiling, they were still far too bitter to even taste.

Persimmon leaves are alternate down the stem. They aren't palmated like the ones in this photo.


I have no idea where this info comes from, but it is mostly incorrect...

Buckeyes and horse chestnuts belong to the same Genus and the names are pretty much interchangeable. To decide to call some buckeyes and others horse chestnuts goes against what everybody else has been doing for a very, very long time. Your separation by leaf numbers is completely false, as is the shape. If nothing else you are leaving out some of the common ones from Asia, Japan, and other parts of the World.

Also, most can be crossed and produce fertile offspring in many cases...


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Originally Posted by jaguartx
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What is true ebony? My interest is piqued.

Ebony is a Genus of trees with very black wood.... Gaboon ebony is the most commonly used wood for making fore end tips on wood stocks. Persimmon has coal black heartwood, but not much of it. The sap wood is very white.

Persimmon is extremely hard and heavy,, like black ebonies. It is used for making wood golf club heads. I saw a floor made of it at a golf country club and it was incredible.



Good info there Sd. My cousin has a fair sized 60-80 yr old one in his feedlot. I will tell him about that. Thanks.


The wood is very nice but does not command a high price until cut and dried as the wood is a little tricky to dry and mills do not find it a favorite to cut! wink


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Here in N. La., buckeyes grow on a bush that grows about head high. About the most buckeyes I ever saw on a bush was 10-12. When I worked in Ca., there buckeyes grew on trees. I saw buckeye trees that were 25-30 ft tall with hundreds of buckeyes. Just to make sure they were the same thing, I picked a few. The buckeyes from Ca. were larger.


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Back in the 1980's the Japanese got on a golfing kick, so they started buying up all of the persimmon they could find to make golf clubs with. Prices here soared. Lots of people would go to church on Sunday morning and come home to fine the persimmon tree in their yard gone. There was a minimum diameter that would be bought, but I forget the size. miles


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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Buckeyes and horse chestnuts aren't the same thing.
Buckeyes have 5 palmed leaves with pointed tips and the fruits are covered with spines. The buds are dry.
Horse chestnuts have 7 palmed leaves with rounded tips and the fruits have fewer spines than buckeyes. The buds are sticky.
Buckeye trees get taller. Buckeyes are native to the US while horse chestnuts were introduced from Europe.

Neither are edible. Supposedly you can boil buckeye seeds to remove the acid and they're safe to eat. I tried it one time with some horse chestnuts. After a couple hours of boiling, they were still far too bitter to even taste.

Persimmon leaves are alternate down the stem. They aren't palmated like the ones in this photo.


I have no idea where this info comes from, but it is mostly incorrect...

Buckeyes and horse chestnuts belong to the same Genus and the names are pretty much interchangeable. To decide to call some buckeyes and others horse chestnuts goes against what everybody else has been doing for a very, very long time. Your separation by leaf numbers is completely false, as is the shape. If nothing else you are leaving out some of the common ones from Asia, Japan, and other parts of the World.

Also, most can be crossed and produce fertile offspring in many cases...
Same genus, yes. Same species, no. While they might cross, that doesn't make them the same thing. Case in point: dogs and wolves. I've argued for years that dogs and wolves are breeds of the same species but I've been outvoted time after time. So, I'll use everyone elses argument and contend that these trees are different. What they're commonly called is irrelevant. What they actually are is what matters and they are genetically different.


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We have buckeye trees in the 12 acre piece north of our house. That piece borders up with a neighbor who has several large buckeye trees and has made no attempt to cut them down or trim them up. That means over the last 50 years we now have buckeye trees on our place. I'm about to jump over the fence and trim off the offending branches that have grown over to our side. Buckeye trees and multi-floral rose bushes seem to grow together making the elimination of the buckeye trees difficult without cutting through large patches of the multi-floral roses. To the best of my knowledge nothing eats the buckeyes. They just continue to grow out of control until they meet Mr. Echo or Mr. Stihl. Like the Supreme Court says, they have no redeeming social value. Although, I agree, they make great missiles for a "friendly" buckeye fight.

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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
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Originally Posted by KSMITH
What is true ebony? My interest is piqued.

Ebony is a Genus of trees with very black wood.... Gaboon ebony is the most commonly used wood for making fore end tips on wood stocks. Persimmon has coal black heartwood, but not much of it. The sap wood is very white. Persimmon is extremely hard and heavy,, like black ebonies. It is used for making wood golf club heads. I saw a floor made of it at a golf country club and it was incredible.


Persimmon, cut and dried, makes some fine woodcutting wedges that won't tear up your chainsaw if you accidentally hit it. Dogwood, too.

I bet a persimmon floor would be impressive.

Ed

If you are into that sort of thing, try to get your hands on a chunk of mountain mahogany... it is the only NA wood I would say trumps persimmon... and I am including both ironwood and cocabolo in that comparison. Mountain mahogany was tested for use in woodwind instruments but they could not find fasteners stronger than the wood when testing screw-holding ability.

Shuttles in woolen mills were exclusively made of persimmon forever because it never wore out...

Sitka, is mountain mahogany the same as Madrone? i know i have destroyed many saw chains on Madrone


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