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#12262698 - 09/10/17 Re: Anyone see a problem? [Re: blammer]  
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since I didn't buy it directly from Springfield I suspect they won't give me any money back for it.

I contacted the place I bought it from and they said I needed to contact the manufacturer.


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#12262700 - 09/10/17 Re: Anyone see a problem? [Re: blammer]  
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Right the barrel may be short chambered or have a short throat.

I've seen that a few times, not from Springfield. In those cases it was obvious that the gun hadn't been test fired. One didn't even have a chamber.

Springfield doesn't manufacture that pistol, and I doubt that Springfield test fires these once they get them in the country, they are likely supposed to be good to go before they leave the factory. Test firing and range testing is expensive here.

Springfield should warranty that with no problems. If you're not happy with their Customer Service report back here. They will want to take a look if only to revisit their quality control. They should be wanting to bend over backwards to make you a happy customer...that is my experience with them. Call them on Monday.

Either way I'm glad you still have all your fingers and eyeballs...

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#12262716 - 09/10/17 Re: Anyone see a problem? [Re: blammer]  
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I have an XD in 45acp and it works great. This xds in 9mm is turning into a nightmare.


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#12262769 - 09/10/17 Re: Anyone see a problem? [Re: FC363]  
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Originally Posted by FC363
Question now is back to Springfield for what? Obviously that barrel will have to be redesigned to support the case head, and that depends on whether or not the frame has to be modified to fit with it. How many rounds do you think they fired in testing and development of that gun? Based on your experience with it, I would guess at zero. I have spent the last week fixing a POS Sig, so I feel your pain.

There's nothing wrong with the XD...

If...and I say IF after inspection it's confirmed that there is an issue with the barrel, as I suspect is a possibility, it's a manufacturing defect, not a design failure, but without careful inspection that hasn't been determined at this point.

A part is either in spec or not...guessing doesn't count.

#12262775 - 09/10/17 Re: Anyone see a problem? [Re: blammer]  
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we will see what springfield has to say about it. I'll let you know.


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#12263031 - 09/10/17 Re: Anyone see a problem? [Re: Boogaloo]  
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Originally Posted by Boogaloo
Originally Posted by FC363
Question now is back to Springfield for what? Obviously that barrel will have to be redesigned to support the case head, and that depends on whether or not the frame has to be modified to fit with it. How many rounds do you think they fired in testing and development of that gun? Based on your experience with it, I would guess at zero. I have spent the last week fixing a POS Sig, so I feel your pain.

There's nothing wrong with the XD...

If...and I say IF after inspection it's confirmed that there is an issue with the barrel, as I suspect is a possibility, it's a manufacturing defect, not a design failure, but without careful inspection that hasn't been determined at this point.

A part is either in spec or not...guessing doesn't count.

Well there is definitely something wrong with his. If the headspace was that far off, it wouldn't even go into battery to begin with, and the ammo worked fine in his other guns.


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#12263332 - 09/11/17 Re: Anyone see a problem? [Re: blammer]  
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Any brand of pistol, even with correct headspace might be able to fire when slightly out of battery. Generally, they shouldn't do that, but in every production run there will be a few that will.

Yes, it looks like there is an issue with his pistol and it needs to be repaired or replaced, but it's still just a guess as to what the problem is just from looking at a picture without having the gun and ammo in hand to take some measurements and find out what the problem really is to a certainty.

Springfield should take care of it.

#12263635 - 09/11/17 Re: Anyone see a problem? [Re: blammer]  
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Every manufacturer turns out guns that are less than perfect. XD's are proven to be good guns, so it's not the DESIGN but the manufacture.

#12268472 - 09/13/17 Re: Anyone see a problem? [Re: blammer]  
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Springfield verdict, send $94 for a new frame and they'll send my gun back.

that sucks big eggs.

I hope when they test fire it, it blows up.

I took pictures of stuff, so we'll see what I get back.


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#12268502 - 09/13/17 Re: Anyone see a problem? [Re: blammer]  
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There's got to be more to this story than what's posted here. I can't see your springfield having a design problem but the rest are fine. We'd be hearing about XDS pistols blowing up all the time if the case separations you showed are from a design issue.

It can't be just short chambered either, or the barrel wouldn't lock into battery enough to let the pistol fire. Something else is going on...

Them wanting you to pay for the frame indicates there's more to the story as well. Were you shooting someone's gun show reloads or what?

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#12268909 - 09/13/17 Re: Anyone see a problem? [Re: blammer]  
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well I can't tell you any more simply than this.

I bought a new gun, some factory loads, Hornady Zombie max, loaded a mag, and after the 3rd shot it came apart.

I couldn't believe it myself. There is no 'hidden or missing' information.

What more is there to say.

I called Springfield told them what happened, they sent a call tag for the gun, I gave them the lot number of the ammo I was using, and sent the gun in.

I get a call telling me it's $94 to fix the frame. They offered no explanation or anything.

when I get my gun back I'm taking it apart and checking the barrel with the same ammo as before. (not shooting it mind you)

I'm not done with this crap yet.


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#12268936 - 09/13/17 Re: Anyone see a problem? [Re: blammer]  
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Ask Springfield to be sure to test fire it before they send it back.

If you call Hornady they might pitch in...their ammo - their problem too.

#12269439 - 09/14/17 Re: Anyone see a problem? [Re: blammer]  
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I've never owned an XDs, but I have run near 10k through a std XD. My case heads are fully supported in the chamber. Not one single factory load through the gun, and about half of what I've run through the gun has been warm to hot. They are fine guns. All I've replaced on mine is the recoil spring, three or four times. I'd not have pulled the trigger on rounds sticking out of the chamber that far. I'd put an empty, sized piece of brass in the gun, and if that much of the head was unsupported,I'd take it back to where I bought it and get a refund.

It's sad that that gun got to you like that. I can't imagine they engineered them that way, but I've seen hokey crap before. Engineers are fallible, as are QC and machining processes. I'd tell them to shove their frame fee up their ass, and to be happy I don't sue them for risking my life with a faulty product.


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#12270841 - 09/14/17 Re: Anyone see a problem? [Re: blammer]  
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I don't think it's an engineering issue. I think it's a quality issue.

I already asked them about test firing it before I get it, I got an email reply back that they test fire all firearms before returning them.

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#12277212 - 09/17/17 Re: Anyone see a problem? [Re: blammer]  
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got an email saying my pistol is on the way back and a copy of the invoice and what they did.

I don't have high hopes.

I suspect I'll have a gun for sale shortly.

shot 3 times repaired once at springfield, lots of mags, holster, mag holster, and carry case....


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#12280632 - 09/19/17 Re: Anyone see a problem? [Re: blammer]  
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UPDATE

got my pistol back today.

new frame as I expected (since I paid for it)

same barrel same slide.

took apart, dropped a round in it to do the 'plunk' test

if you want to know what it looks like, see the first picture in the thread. It's no different.

I plan on calling tomorrow and see what they say. I'll send him a picture of the round in the barrel and see if they can or want to do anything.

I'm not expecting anything so I won't have high hopes.


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#12280667 - 09/19/17 Re: Anyone see a problem? [Re: blammer]  
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anyone else have an xds in 9mm they could post a chamber picture of?


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#12280683 - 09/19/17 Re: Anyone see a problem? [Re: blammer]  
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#12281235 - 09/19/17 Re: Anyone see a problem? [Re: blammer]  
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Hell... who the hell knows... ?

There is still no conclusion as to what the problem actually is, or was, or if there actually is a problem with the pistol or the ammo, or both, or neither or not...it's still just all guesswork.

Springfield says it's good to go...you still have your doubts...so...

Don't shoot it...!

Don't shoot the Hornady ammo...!

Plunk it with a different brand of ammo. Any cheap ammo is fine. See if it looks any different...then post some pictures...then...

Don't shoot it...!

Then take it to a local gunsmith who knows what he's doing for a safety inspection and a headspace check and test firing.

Tell us what he says.

#12281245 - 09/19/17 Re: Anyone see a problem? [Re: blammer]  
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no not going to shoot it.

tried 3 other types of factory ammo.

Federal 115 gr hp and a RN, forget the wt, and Winchester. All looked exactly like the picture above.


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#12281263 - 09/19/17 Re: Anyone see a problem? [Re: blammer]  
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Sounds good.

Take it to a gunsmith and show him the barrel ammo fit. See what he says.

Have the gunsmith check the headspace with a gauge. You'll need to find one who's a decent machinist or has 9mm gauges.

Actually the hs may be ok but the throat may be short or tight. If so there will be markings on the bullet.

Support your local gunsmith.

Some of them may actually know what they are doing,

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