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Isn't that bit of a stretch?
See pages 58 thru 62 of the June/July issue of Outdoor Life magazine.
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IMO...no such thing as "ultimate" rifle round. Too many variables in hunting and personal likes/dislikes in target/competitive shooting for there to be a single cartridge that is the ultimate.
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I'll agree it is the Ultimate Latest Hyped Rifle Round.....
to hear some folks talk how did we ever live without it?
oh wait, wasn't there something similar years ago...
like something called a 250 Savage?
and on second thought, isn't it trying to reinvent the wheel comparing it to the 260?
I don't read those mags anymore and haven't for years...
if I need any gunwriter input in life, few can get a more down to earth perspective than our own John Barsness....
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Glad that has been settled
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I'll agree it is the Ultimate Latest Hyped Rifle Round.....
to hear some folks talk how did we ever live without it?
oh wait, wasn't there something similar years ago...
like something called a 250 Savage?
and on second thought, isn't it trying to reinvent the wheel comparing it to the 260?
I don't read those mags anymore and haven't for years...
if I need any gunwriter input in life, few can get a more down to earth perspective than our own John Barsness.... The little 250, while being a favorite of mine, is not comparable to the 6.5CM when it comes to downrange ballistics. As far as the 260 goes, it being another cartridge I like quite a bit, the 6.5CM actually does make a few improvements and John Barsness has outlined them. I'm not a big fan of change for its own sake either, but sometimes you seem even slower than me to accept a positive change.
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In other news, Hornady, Nosler, Remington and Olin Ammunition laid off their entire R&D departments since they are no longer needed....
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I'm not sure how one would ascertain that? I mean "ultimate" is very subjective. Ultimate for what? It's not the ultimate Bear or Moose round. Ultimate deer round? Maybe.
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I'll agree it is the Ultimate Latest Hyped Rifle Round.....
to hear some folks talk how did we ever live without it?
oh wait, wasn't there something similar years ago...
like something called a 250 Savage?
and on second thought, isn't it trying to reinvent the wheel comparing it to the 260?
I don't read those mags anymore and haven't for years...
if I need any gunwriter input in life, few can get a more down to earth perspective than our own John Barsness.... The little 250, while being a favorite of mine, is not comparable to the 6.5CM when it comes to downrange ballistics. As far as the 260 goes, it being another cartridge I like quite a bit, the 6.5CM actually does make a few improvements and John Barsness has outlined them. I'm not a big fan of change for its own sake either, but sometimes you seem even slower than me to accept a positive change. The few tangible advantages that the 6.5 Creedmoor has over the 260 Remington are only valuable if they are useful to the shooter in question. For example, if you reload your own ammo and use hunting bullets that fit within the limits of the magazine of the rifle in question, I see no/zero reason to select the 6.5 Creedmoor in lieu of the 260.
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I'm not sure how one would ascertain that? I mean "ultimate" is very subjective. Ultimate for what? It's not the ultimate Bear or Moose round. Ultimate deer round? Maybe. Ultimate as in the last rifle you buy before you die
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The few tangible advantages that the 6.5 Creedmoor has over the 260 Remington are only valuable if they are useful to the shooter in question.
For example, if you reload your own ammo and use hunting bullets that fit within the limits of the magazine of the rifle in question, I see no/zero reason to select the 6.5 Creedmoor in lieu of the 260.
Sure, but that doesn't mean they are negatives if you don't take advantage of them. Upside for those that do use them, no downside for those that don't.
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I'm not sure how one would ascertain that? I mean "ultimate" is very subjective. Ultimate for what? It's not the ultimate Bear or Moose round. Ultimate deer round? Maybe. Ultimate as in the last rifle you buy before you die In that case it would be the penultimate rifle for me. Once I get up in years I'm going with a .22 centerfire to finish out.
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The few tangible advantages that the 6.5 Creedmoor has over the 260 Remington are only valuable if they are useful to the shooter in question.
For example, if you reload your own ammo and use hunting bullets that fit within the limits of the magazine of the rifle in question, I see no/zero reason to select the 6.5 Creedmoor in lieu of the 260.
Sure, but that doesn't mean they are negatives if you don't take advantage of them. Upside for those that do use them, no downside for those that don't. I agree and didn't mean to infer that unused advantages were negatives, just that an unused advantage is neither good, nor bad, if you don't use it. I've shot the 260 for almost 20 years and the 6.5 Creedmoor for just over 3.5 years, enough time and enough rounds sent down range from enough different rifles to know both cartridges fairly well.
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Isn't that bit of a stretch?
A big'un.
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I'd just as soon have a 270 win or a 25-06..
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Ive seen in a few different articles ,how the 6.5 ,because of case and chamber design, along with the high bc and good sd bullets available, will shoot flatter and have more energy at long range than a 300 win mag. if so, that is pretty damned impressive. Also,the 308 target round will drop subsonic at around 900 yards, where the 143 gr bullet in 264 dia will not do that until 1400 yards, even though started at somewhat less velocity.
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It checks a lot of boxes for sure.
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Isn't that bit of a stretch?
See pages 58 thru 62 of the June/July issue of Outdoor Life magazine. Maybe it's the ultimate for him. It's not for me.
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Ive seen in a few different articles ,how the 6.5 ,because of case and chamber design, along with the high bc and good sd bullets available, will shoot flatter and have more energy at long range than a 300 win mag. if so, that is pretty damned impressive. Also,the 308 target round will drop subsonic at around 900 yards, where the 143 gr bullet in 264 dia will not do that until 1400 yards, even though started at somewhat less velocity.
I'm sure a 6.5 might outrun a 300 win mag at extremely long range. For hunting guns what the heck does it matter?
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Isn't that bit of a stretch?
See pages 58 thru 62 of the June/July issue of Outdoor Life magazine. Well, they gotta write something to fill the pages....
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This is the new version of the old .30/06 vs .270 article. Fluff stuff to stir the pot and fill the pages.
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What fresh Hell is this?
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