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If it bleeds it leads....
Same as the Glock vs 1911 articles from the 80's. Holy crap....
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Tom,
John Snow has been the shooting columnist for OL since Jim Carmichel retired in 2008. He was a pretty experienced shooter and hunter before then, but because of his job has gained a lot more since then. Thanks JB..I don't get Outdoor Life....or any of the others anymore....I just look here for your writing. Nothing else matters!  (Don't tell Eileen that...) I agree. BLM right? Only Barsness Lies, I mean Lines Matter 
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John Snow is doing his job with articles like this. A gunwriter has to be somewhat provocative. Especially with his title. If he would have titled it "The 6.5 Creedmoor, another cartridge that's as good as a whole litany of other cartridges", we wouldn't be talking about it right now. I recently saw something from Terry Weiland about the .30-06's day having come and gone and about there being much better options and I just felt he was doing what gunwriters do to get your attention. I'd do it too if I was one. That's funny because I'm pretty sure I've got one of his pieces here where he says he prefers the '06 over the 7mm RM, not that the two positions can't be reconciled. Not sure I agree that the writers have to be provocative, just when that's what the rag wants. As an aside, I recently fell for one of those $8 offers from Guns and Ammo. Already wish I had my money back.
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moosemike,
Actually, we don't really know what John Snow titled the article. My experience in writing for a number of magazines is that more often than not, the editor's going to change the author's title. Some don't, but most do, often to create a theme among the mix of articles in that issue, or because the author's title was pretty boring, or because they want to catch readers, especially those who tend to browse through magazine racks. Which is exactly why magazine covers often have eye-catching photos and condensations of article titles on their covers.
I'm sure glad we have the Campfire to get away from provocative writing....
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I think the 7x57 is the ultimate rifle round and has been for over 120 years. GD I am glad that someone stepped up to say it. There ain't nothing on God's Green Earth that hasn't fallen to that round, except maybe t-rex and pterodactyl, and I'm not even sure about that. We'd have to ask Ingwe.
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I'm waiting for the article titled' "The 6.5 Swed; the Thinking Man's Creedmoor."
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I'm loading for deer season now. 54gr of imr4350 under 165 SGK's. The deer are lucky since that combination won't kill them.
Probably won't be able to hit one anyway since my little CLR is wearing a Leupold 3-9 with friction adjustments.
Like 16 said, 99 problems..... but venison in the freezer aint gonna be one of them. I have zero use for a creedmor. Obviously YMMV depending on your AO.
I bought a whole box of Federal 100's for a RAR 243 I've got $150 in. Hope to zero it before deer season and shoot some groceries. I don't think I've fired a rifle during 2017. Probably out of practice. Damn the luck. I'm over, over thinking it. Gonna spend my time scouting and hunting instead of worrying about BC that doesn't amount to [bleep] when hunting in Appalachia. I'm having a ball shooting 250 yds with suppressed subsonics in the 300 BO I just picked up. Never seen a drop chart with 6" between 50 and 100 yds before! As for groceries, mama told me this morning I need to put some ground meat in the freezer because the beef doesn't taste near as good.
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Old guns and old ammo won't kill new deer. Im gonna give er hell!! grin
Ping pong balls for the win.
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My solution is to buy whatever moves me, new, old, or in between.
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I'm loading for deer season now. 54gr of imr4350 under 165 SGK's. The deer are lucky since that combination won't kill them.
Probably won't be able to hit one anyway since my little CLR is wearing a Leupold 3-9 with friction adjustments.
Like 16 said, 99 problems..... but venison in the freezer aint gonna be one of them. I have zero use for a creedmor. Obviously YMMV depending on your AO.
I bought a whole box of Federal 100's for a RAR 243 I've got $150 in. Hope to zero it before deer season and shoot some groceries. I don't think I've fired a rifle during 2017. Probably out of practice. Damn the luck. I'm over, over thinking it. Gonna spend my time scouting and hunting instead of worrying about BC that doesn't amount to [bleep] when hunting in Appalachia. I'm having a ball shooting 250 yds with suppressed subsonics in the 300 BO I just picked up. Never seen a drop chart with 6" between 50 and 100 yds before! As for groceries, mama told me this morning I need to put some ground meat in the freezer because the beef doesn't taste near as good. If a guy actually "hunts", it don't mean schitt anywhere....
Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
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moosemike,
Actually, we don't really know what John Snow titled the article. My experience in writing for a number of magazines is that more often than not, the editor's going to change the author's title. Some don't, but most do, often to create a theme among the mix of articles in that issue, or because the author's title was pretty boring, or because they want to catch readers, especially those who tend to browse through magazine racks. Which is exactly why magazine covers often have eye-catching photos and condensations of article titles on their covers.
I'm sure glad we have the Campfire to get away from provocative writing....
The cover teaser reads "6.5 CREEDMOOR: THE ULTIMATE RIFLE ROUND". The title of the article reads"6.5 CREEDMOOR - HOW THIS MILD METRIC WENT FROM NICHE COMPETITION ROUND TO SHOOTING AND HUNTING SUPERSTAR".
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Love me some Creed.... and the .260 even more.... but everyone knows the 7mm Rem Mag is the ultimate rifle-round.
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I'm waiting for the article titled' "The 6.5 Swed; the Thinking Man's Creedmoor." A fella looking to buy a T3 in either Creed or Swede would likely drive himself nuts trying to decide.
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Love me some Creed.... and the .260 even more.... but everyone knows the 7mm Rem Mag is the ultimate rifle-round. I wish...... Mine has been sitting in the classifieds for months.
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My son is agonizing over his Creedmoor right now. One of his Army buddies wants to trade him a Sedgely 1903 .220 sporter for it. It's a good trade but my son isn't wild about a 1-14" Swift.
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I think the 7x57 is the ultimate rifle round and has been for over 120 years. GD I am glad that someone stepped up to say it. There ain't nothing on God's Green Earth that hasn't fallen to that round, except maybe t-rex and pterodactyl, and I'm not even sure about that. We'd have to ask Ingwe. Ingwe with his 7x57 spear is the reason those animals are extinct. 
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My son is agonizing over his Creedmoor right now. One of his Army buddies wants to trade him a Sedgely 1903 .220 sporter for it. It's a good trade but my son isn't wild about a 1-14" Swift. He can get back into a 6.5 Creedmoor for under $400 via the Howa 1500 or RAR-P. Sedgley Sporters don't come along every day and if the price is right, you've got to go for it.
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Exactly why I quit reading magazines years ago....there is no such thing really....
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My son is agonizing over his Creedmoor right now. One of his Army buddies wants to trade him a Sedgely 1903 .220 sporter for it. It's a good trade but my son isn't wild about a 1-14" Swift. He can get back into a 6.5 Creedmoor for under $400 via the Howa 1500 or RAR-P. Sedgley Sporters don't come along every day and if the price is right, you've got to go for it. The price is right. He just wants my sons Weatherby Vanguard 6.5 Creed for the near mint Sedgley sporter he inherited.
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Love me some Creed.... and the .260 even more.... but everyone knows the 7mm Rem Mag is the ultimate rifle-round. B-29 puts the 7mm RM to shame, haven't you learned anything being on here?
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