..... Hint: According to him, they are not the same:
(This is a long video / lecture .... goes on for over an hour ..... but, if true, is EYE OPENING!)
And just who is Kevin Shipp? Here is his CIA Bio:
"Shipp held several high-level positions in the CIA. He was assigned as a protective agent for the Director of Central Intelligence, a counterintelligence investigator, a Counter Terrorism Center officer, a team leader protecting sensitive CIA assets from assassination, a manager of high-risk protective operations, a lead instructor for members of allied governments, an internal staff security investigator, and a polygraph examiner. He was tasked with protecting the CIA from foreign agent penetration and the chief of training for the CIA federal police force. Mr. Shipp functioned as program manager for the Department of State, Diplomatic Security, and Anti Terrorism Assistance global police training program. He is the recipient of two CIA Meritorious Unit Citations, three Exceptional Performance Awards and a Medallion for overseas covert operations. He is the author of From the Company of Shadows–CIA Operations and the War on Terrorism."
One of my favorite columnists, the late Ed Quillen, had Ananias Zeigler as spokesman for the committee that really runs America. He was usually spot on about the thinking of entrenched government.
By the time the elections come around the choice is really which of the entrenched pols "they" give us a choice on.