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And I'm with others who observe that the creedmore has achieved wider acceptance faster than about any other cartridge introduced in my lifetime.
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My son is agonizing over his Creedmoor right now. One of his Army buddies wants to trade him a Sedgely 1903 .220 sporter for it. It's a good trade but my son isn't wild about a 1-14" Swift. There might be a pill for that...
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I My heavy barrel 308 shoots as good at long range as the Creedmoor does. well ,no that's the point, it doesn't. supposed to shoot flatter, drift less in the wind, and retain more energy than the 308 at long range. a lot of it is the bullets.that 6.5mm 143 gr BC is .625, the same make and model 30 cal 168gr is .523. You left out a big one for long distance work. you are quite right,sir. I may never be able to utilize any of the creedmoors long range advantages, but, they will be there if I need them,and I cant see any short range disadvantages.
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I My heavy barrel 308 shoots as good at long range as the Creedmoor does. well ,no that's the point, it doesn't. supposed to shoot flatter and retain more energy than the 308 at long range. a lot of it is the bullets.that 6.5mm 143 gr BC is .625, the same make and model 30 cal 168gr is .523. The 308 is just as good at the ranges that I, and that's spelled with a capital I, shoot. If you read my post, I'm not into long range shooting. I have a 500 yard range that I can shoot some steel on, and that's just for fun. For me and my purposes, the 308, or for that matter, a host of other cartridges will do just as good, if not better, than the Creedmoor. If I were into competition shooting, then my wants and needs would be different. Obviously, it's a good cartridge, it wouldn't be as popular as it is, and I wouldn't own one and post how accurate I've found it to be. But, for the needs of 90% of the people who hunt, there are a bunch of other cartridges that will work just as good. Not trying to start a war of words over such a trivial matter, but my needs and yours, as far as rifle cartridges go, are probably different.
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Probably not. All my hunting is inside 100 yards.
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This type of article is always going to be focused on the right now. Is it going to make you sell your prized 30-06 or .270 for pennies on the dollar? I should hope not, but if you get that desire shoot me a PM before posting in the classifieds. Of everything you listed from the WSSM's to the Lazzaronis this is the only new cartridge that I recall gaining this much traction in my lifetime. I think what impresses me most is the availability of quality ammunition at a reasonable price point. Ballistic twin of the 6.5x55 and the .260? Absolutely. The only difference is today I can buy hunting ammo for less than $1 per round for the 6.5 Creedmoor whereas the other two I cannot.
I distinctly remember reading a similar Outdoor Life article in the waiting room of my dentist's office 15-20 years ago. Mr. Carmichael was discussing the magnificence of the then new .260 Rem. I wanted one in the worst way but didn't have the cash for another rifle. I chose to buy college textbooks instead. When I got to the point that I could buy a 260 I chose to purchase the 6.5 CM instead because I preferred the rifle it was chambered in. The point of any of these articles isn't to make you get rid of all of your other rifles because they're obsolete. Its not like every new rifle that is reviewed is in some exotic caliber. Do you think Ruger cares if your 7th RAR rifle you are adding to your collection is in .308 or 6.5 CM? If you need/want/obsess over another rifle articles such as these give you a reason to purchase one. If you're new to rifle ownership they give you an idea of what people are shooting in the current market.
The Winchester short and super short magnums were supposed to knock the socks off the (then) present crop of cartridges. So much so, that Winchester cut back on the regular table fare and put a bunch of WSM and WSSM bolt rifles into production. Winchester thinned the herd in favour of these great cartridges. How'd they make out? And, of course, what was all that nonsense between Winchester and Rick Jamison? You'll find that what was old is new again. That profit spurs invention, and, to that end, the almighty dollar rules. Whatever happened to the 223 and 243 WSSMs?
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This type of article is always going to be focused on the right now. Is it going to make you sell your prized 30-06 or .270 for pennies on the dollar? I should hope not, but if you get that desire shoot me a PM before posting in the classifieds. Of everything you listed from the WSSM's to the Lazzaronis this is the only new cartridge that I recall gaining this much traction in my lifetime. I think what impresses me most is the availability of quality ammunition at a reasonable price point. Ballistic twin of the 6.5x55 and the .260? Absolutely. The only difference is today I can buy hunting ammo for less than $1 per round for the 6.5 Creedmoor whereas the other two I cannot.
I distinctly remember reading a similar Outdoor Life article in the waiting room of my dentist's office 15-20 years ago. Mr. Carmichael was discussing the magnificence of the then new .260 Rem. I wanted one in the worst way but didn't have the cash for another rifle. I chose to buy college textbooks instead. When I got to the point that I could buy a 260 I chose to purchase the 6.5 CM instead because I preferred the rifle it was chambered in. The point of any of these articles isn't to make you get rid of all of your other rifles because they're obsolete. Its not like every new rifle that is reviewed is in some exotic caliber. Do you think Ruger cares if your 7th RAR rifle you are adding to your collection is in .308 or 6.5 CM? If you need/want/obsess over another rifle articles such as these give you a reason to purchase one. If you're new to rifle ownership they give you an idea of what people are shooting in the current market.
The Winchester short and super short magnums were supposed to knock the socks off the (then) present crop of cartridges. So much so, that Winchester cut back on the regular table fare and put a bunch of WSM and WSSM bolt rifles into production. Winchester thinned the herd in favour of these great cartridges. How'd they make out? And, of course, what was all that nonsense between Winchester and Rick Jamison? You'll find that what was old is new again. That profit spurs invention, and, to that end, the almighty dollar rules. Whatever happened to the 223 and 243 WSSMs? The WSMs and WSSMs ran into a wall when Winchester/USRA crashed in 2006 and then again when Winchester/Olin stopped makes WSSM ammo and components as regular production items. I have a few Winchester/USRA 70s chambered for the WSSMs and think very highly of the 25 WSSM as a dual purpose varmint and medium game cartridge. Heck, I'd buy another 25 WSSM if I could ever find a Browning Ti Mountain Rifle at a reasonable price.
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6.5 Creedmore.. just a poor copy of the 6.5x47 Lapua.
Hornady has spent ungodly amounts of advertisement money on that cartridge.
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Hornady has spent ungodly amounts of advertisement money on that cartridge.
And they're laughing all the way to the bank.
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6.5 Creedmore.. just a poor copy of the 6.5x47 Lapua.
Hornady has spent ungodly amounts of advertisement money on that cartridge. That pretty much sums up my experience. Small primer, less powder, similar velocities, shorter COL, better barrel life, handles high pressure better, etc.
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I noticed some Lapua 6.5 Creedmoor brass in Cabela's last weekend. They must be laughing all the way to the bank too.
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I noticed some Lapua 6.5 Creedmoor brass in Cabela's last weekend. They must be laughing all the way to the bank too. It is quite good brass - small rifle primer pocket with an undersized flash hole. I changed over to that with all my 6.5 CR's.
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I noticed some Lapua 6.5 Creedmoor brass in Cabela's last weekend. They must be laughing all the way to the bank too. It is quite good brass - small rifle primer pocket with an undersized flash hole. I changed over to that with all my 6.5 CR's. The new small primer brass will be awesome.... until it's cold outside....
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Tom,
John Snow has been the shooting columnist for OL since Jim Carmichel retired in 2008. He was a pretty experienced shooter and hunter before then, but because of his job has gained a lot more since then. Hard to follow in Jim's footsteps....but he hasn't done too badly. Jim is the reason I got myself a .280 Mountain Rifle in the 80's. That being said, everyone already knows that the .308 Win is the greatest rifle cartridge in the universe.
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Yesterday the 308 was the Best. Today the 6.5 Creedmoor is Number one. It has nothing to do with the fact. I bought a Kimber today in 6.5.
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If one is taking into consideration recoil, ballistics, efficiency, paper punching, hunting deer sized critters, availability of accurate factory ammo, case design, and probably a few things I missed as an overall balance.......It is possible the 6.5 Creedmoor might be the ultimate rifle round in its category.
I however don't own one because I don't need the ultimate rifle round and I have a 6.5 swede ☺
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If you have to take all that schit into account for a hunting rifle, you're way overthinking it.
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So who in the hell is John B Snow? anyone ever answer that?
don't feel like reading 12 pages to find out...
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So who in the hell is John B Snow? anyone ever answer that?
don't feel like reading 12 pages to find out... Outdoor Life's gunwriter who replaced Jim Carmichael. He's been there for some years now.
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If one is taking into consideration recoil, ballistics, efficiency, paper punching, hunting deer sized critters, availability of accurate factory ammo, case design, and probably a few things I missed as an overall balance.......It is possible the 6.5 Creedmoor might be the ultimate rifle round in its category.
I however don't own one because I don't need the ultimate rifle round and I have a 6.5 swede ☺
Trystan You should quit posting.... until tomorrow...
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