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I have to win this discussion with my wife.

I say that global warming is not caused by man it is natural climate changes.

She says it is and says there are hundreds of studies to support such, of which she proceeded to email me.

I need some support or proof that it is NOT man made. HELP! who has some info for me!

Have here read any encyclopedia about the planets Ice Ages, if we are doing it so bad, it really should have hit us hard back in the 1880's thru the early 30 when Coal was the major fuel used in factories. We have a lot more regulation on what comes out of the stacks than they did way back when. Global warming is busssciet. Les

Tell her to walk to work tomorrow if it makes her feel better. All those studies she's talking about are based on theories. Try looking at some of the major oil companies websites and see what they have to say about global warming. It just goes to show that anyone can have a study done with biases and have different outcomes.

I dunno, and I wish I did. I've lived long enough to see a real shift in the climate of Maine since I was a kid. I was looking through some old family films from the sixties and remarking on the snow depths we used to have. Course those were exceptional winters even then or my uncle wouldn't have made the films. Still... we haven't had anything like that for a long time. As for coal, sure, more people were using coal to heat their houses way back when, but they didn't have those gigantic mid-western power plants back then either. I suspect that the brightness of the sun does flucuate over time, and that may account for some of our warming. Other factors may be at work to. I try not to be dogmatic either way and to keep an open mind. Also, I've little doubt that Kyoto was a terribly flawed treaty. What we need is more real science and less political posturing. Please!!!

NASA did a study a couple years ago based on the temps of the near planets not only Earth but Mars and Jupiter,Murcury and Venus, are feeling the effects of warming caused by sunspot activity, and a fluctuation of the Suns radiation. I do not have a link to that, I am sorry to say. But the ulra liberals have latched onto the unproven idea that the warm period we are haveing is being cause by emmisions from Motor Vehicles, esspecially SUV's. (this doe's not explain the warming period, prior to the twelfth century, or the mini Ice Age earth went through from the twelfth through most of the ninteenth century) That unproven theory is latched onto by every kook in liberal land. You might look under Nasa global warming studies. Or some thing like that.

I guess that the more liberals say somthing the closer to truth it is?

here are a few points to show her........Blake


* Since 1895, the media has alternated between global cooling and warming scares during four separate and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930's the media peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920's until the 1960's they warned of global warming. From the 1950's until the 1970's they warned us again of a coming ice age. This makes modern global warming the fourth estate's fourth attempt to promote opposing climate change fears during the last 100 years.
* The National Academy of Sciences report reaffirmed the existence of the Medieval Warm Period from about 900 AD to 1300 AD and the Little Ice Age from about 1500 to 1850. Both of these periods occurred long before the invention of the SUV or human industrial activity could have possibly impacted the Earth's climate. In fact, scientists believe the Earth was warmer than today during the Medieval Warm Period, when the Vikings grew crops in Greenland.
* What the climate alarmists and their advocates in the media have continued to ignore is the fact that the Little Ice Age, which resulted in harsh winters which froze New York Harbor and caused untold deaths, ended about 1850. So trying to prove man-made global warming by comparing the well-known fact that today's temperatures are warmer than during the Little Ice Age is akin to comparing summer to winter to show a catastrophic temperature trend.
* Something that the media almost never addresses are the holes in the theory that C02 has been the driving force in global warming. Alarmists fail to adequately explain why temperatures began warming at the end of the Little Ice Age in about 1850, long before man-made CO2 emissions could have impacted the climate. Then about 1940, just as man-made CO2 emissions rose sharply, the temperatures began a decline that lasted until the 1970's, prompting the media and many scientists to fear a coming ice age.
* A letter sent to the Canadian Prime Minister on April 6, 2006 by 60 prominent scientists who question the basis for climate alarmism, clearly explains the current state of scientific knowledge on global warming. The 60 scientists wrote: "If, back in the mid-1990s, we knew what we know today about climate, Kyoto would almost certainly not exist, because we would have concluded it was not necessary." The letter also noted: "�Climate change is real' is a meaningless phrase used repeatedly by activists to convince the public that a climate catastrophe is looming and humanity is the cause. Neither of these fears is justified. Global climate changes occur all the time due to natural causes and the human impact still remains impossible to distinguish from this natural �noise."
* In 2006, the director of the International Arctic Research Center in Fairbanks Alaska, testified to Congress that highly publicized climate models showing a disappearing Arctic were nothing more than "science fiction."
* "Geologists Think the World May be Frozen Up Again." That sentence appeared over 100 years ago in the February 24, 1895 edition of the New York Times.
* A front page article in the October 7, 1912 New York Times, just a few months after the Titanic struck an iceberg and sank, declared that a prominent professor "Warns Us of an Encroaching Ice Age." The very same day in 1912, the Los Angeles Times ran an article warning that the "Human race will have to fight for its existence against cold." An August 10, 1923 Washington Post article declared: "Ice Age Coming Here."
* By the 1930's, the media took a break from reporting on the coming ice age and instead switched gears to promoting global warming: "America in Longest Warm Spell Since 1776; Temperature Line Records a 25-year Rise" stated an article in the New York Times on March 27, 1933.
* The media of yesteryear was also not above injecting large amounts of fear and alarmism into their climate articles. An August 9, 1923 front page article in the Chicago Tribune declared: "Scientist Says Arctic Ice Will Wipe Out Canada." The article quoted a Yale University professor who predicted that large parts of Europe and Asia would be "wiped out" and Switzerland would be "entirely obliterated."
* A December 29, 1974 New York Times article on global cooling reported that climatologists believed "the facts of the present climate change are such that the most optimistic experts would assign near certainty to major crop failure in a decade." The article also warned that unless government officials reacted to the coming catastrophe, "mass deaths by starvation and probably in anarchy and violence" would result. In 1975, the New York Times reported that "A major cooling [was] widely considered to be inevitable."
* On February 19, 2006, CBS News's "60 Minutes" produced a segment on the North Pole. The segment was a completely one-sided report, alleging rapid and unprecedented melting at the polar cap. It even featured correspondent Scott Pelley claiming that the ice in Greenland was melting so fast, that he barely got off an ice-berg before it collapsed into the water. "60 Minutes" failed to inform its viewers that a 2005 study by a scientist named Ola Johannessen and his colleagues showing that the interior of Greenland is gaining ice and mass and that according to scientists, the Arctic was warmer in the 1930's than today.
* According to data released on July 14, 2006 from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), the January through June Alaska statewide average temperature was "0.55F (0.30C) cooler than the 1971-2000 average."
* In August 2006, Khabibullo Abdusamatov, a scientist who heads the space research sector for the Russian Academy of Sciences, predicted long-term global cooling may be on the horizon due to a projected decrease in the sun's output.

The liberals love words like "global" as it can be used to push for a one-world socialist state where they are in control. Like an ad I used to see on TV about the enviorment-"Think globally; but act locally". They have the kids in schools brainwashed with this crap so a few generations fom now(or less) they will piss away our sovereignty and with it our way of life. ANYTHING that Al Gore clings to as truth is to be questioned to the fullest and believed to be BS until PROVEN differently. The problem is that today things become such a part of a political agenda that truth and facts are ignored; and THEORIES become the "new truth". And don't you dare question that!

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Soli Deo Gloria!

http://www.junkscience.com/

http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7y.html

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/hansen_02/

http://www.ncpa.org/

http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?ide=4

http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=12594

Isn't it interesting that all the folks that are raising the alarm are folks that are the one's applying for grants to study climate change? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for clean air and water but don't tell me I have to go live in a hole to "save the planet" and don't tell me that if it's so damn important that we radically alter our life then don't give China, India and everyone else a pass

One point that I never see raised: according to an article I read a few years ago, burning coal seams around the globe put about as much CO2 into the atmosphere as all industrial users put together. If this is true, or even close to true, you'd think that they'd put some effort into finding ways to extinguish these fires. I guess the libs and commies can't blame them on G.W. Bush, so they're not interested.

I have posted this elsewhere, but repetition never hurt.

Global warming is happening now. But it isn't the first time, nor will it be the last. There are many interacting forces and events which swing the earth from warm age to ice age.

While the human population is exploding, and we all may collectively be having an influence on global warming, I do not believe that ours is the major contributing factor. Nor do I believe that anything we can do short of complete human extinction would alter our contribution to it (if any).

In my non-scientific research, I believe that the major factor involved is one you might not suspect: the fluctuation of the earth's magnetic field. The mag field wanes and grows cyclically, completely flipping north to south at its lowest strength. This happens every 25,000 to 50,000 years, and it is now weakening very rapidly, probably in preparation for another N/S flip.

Surprise. Ice ages happen about the same interval. Can they be related? YES! When the mag field decreases, the earth loses its ability to shield itself from the solar wind and other charged particle flows. More of them hit the earth's atmosphere at lower latitudes (witness the creep of norther/southern lights sightings - direct evidence of same). The effect is atmospheric warming.

When the magnetic field flips and builds rapidly again, we may find ourselves over-shielded - and there will be another ice age.
Strong magnetic field equals cold period. Weak magnetic field equals warm period.

Nobody is telling you about this. My post may be the first you've heard about it. Why? Because there is absolutely nothing we have done to cause it and nothing we can do to change it. And that doesn't fit the agenda of those who wish to cripple the wealthy nations in the service of socialism, that's why.
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The United Nations recently blamed it on bovine flatulance. Honest, I'm fighting that as fast as I can. But I can only fit one cow at a time in the freezer and I'm eating them as fast as I can!

Seriously, it is junk science, In the 70's the same liberals were predicting another ice age. The references given to you above by other members should do the trick!

actually ive heard quite abit about the flip....................just never heard it applied to global warming.....does make a bit of sence though

is your wife a liberal democrat?? if so, just forget trying to reason with her. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Tell her to listen to Rush..........

He'll tell her so much about "global warming" that I bet she never mentions it again............... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

You need proof to win an argument with your wife? Who wears the pants there anyway? YOU tell her what to believe! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I want you to video tape that Blammer <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Les

Jim--Les can't even get his in-laws to leave. I think we're losing him Jim!! grin

Read Michael Crichton's State of Fear. It's a fun read (if you like Crichton), and directly on point.

Every time people bring up global warning oops warming, there are several questions that must be asked:

Is the globe warming?

If so, is it the result of human life?

If so, is it man made (a different question that above)?

If so, is it caused by carbon emissions?

If so, what reductions would be necessary to see any decrease in global warming? Would that be a decrease in the rate of warming or a decrease in the global average temperature?

Would the negative effects of those reductions be worth the positive benefits? Who will, and should, bear those negative benefits? Will proposed solutions create an actual postive benefit regarding global warming, or is global warming a disguise for some other purpose (ie Kyoto - it is a trade treaty, not an environmental one).

Only if all those questions can be answered are potential "solutions" to global warming worthwhile.

Naw my MIL has here own house Isaac, she just lives 3 miles away. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Les