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Okay, 'Flave, I am sure you are correct as regards the USA. But my personal opinion is "Sam" would be totally screwed by both civil and criminal courts were this scenario to take place in Chicago, NY City, Wa DC, and perhaps several other modern bastions of Communism.

I know at least one (and perhaps a couple more) gentleman who could have easily made Paddock duck for cover if not kill him outright from his seat in the venue with his daily carry N frame Smith. Yes from 400 yds plus. But alas, he was not there. Nor do I know if a person can get a CCW into the venue.

Heck, give me ten minutes, and a pocket full of ammo, I could walk a few rounds into his window with my 657. Only problem would be the hotel patrons behind the other windows I would break with the first three or four rounds acquiring the proper hold. It usually takes me about three sighters to hit a badger mound at 400 to 600 yds. Paddock's window was at least as large as a badger mound.

Now here is a thought. Was the concert a "gun free zone"? Were metal detectors present? Might be the perfect time for gun shot victims to sue the promoters for failing to protect them while denying them the ability of self defense.

Yes. I am also capable of hitting targets at those ranges with a sidearm. However I don't know that I'd "walk" a few 260gr Keith's to my primary target zone if my primary target zone was in a hotel. I also don't know that I'd open fire from inside the venue. And I am relatively sure "walking" my rounds up a hotel will be substantially more difficult without a spotter, and without the good earth telling me where my rounds are hitting.

But again, this is people assuming you have to be part of the target area to bring resolution to a situation. You don't.




Clark

Here's a question that's been bugging me, thought I would throw it out on the table for discussion.

If a clean, honest citizen, say his name was...Sam, was at the concert and the shooter in the hotel starts shooting at the masses...if Sam finds, comes upon, or goes back to his vehicle and gets a standard deer hunting rifle and takes aim at the illegal shooter up in the tower of the hotel and shoots him, from the area where all the other concert attendees are standing around, and shoots the sniper either dead or wounds him enough to incapacitate him.

Now, upon those actions would Sam be liable for any legal infringement, broken laws, illegal shooting, shooting someone, or would the justice/legal/court system find Sam to be free and clear of any illegal actions?

The question: did Sam (who is basically any American 100% legal citizen that had a deer rifle in his vehicle and he retrieved it and shot the sniper in the hotel) break any laws or is Sam now a national hero. (legally speaking, not just in opinion.)


This is a serious question and one that I think merits discussion.

Here's a question that's been bugging me, thought I would throw it out on the table for discussion.

If a clean, honest citizen, say his name was...Sam, was at the concert and the shooter in the hotel starts shooting at the masses...if Sam finds, comes upon, or goes back to his vehicle and gets a standard deer hunting rifle and takes aim at the illegal shooter up in the tower of the hotel and shoots him, from the area where all the other concert attendees are standing around, and shoots the sniper either dead or wounds him enough to incapacitate him.

Now, upon those actions would Sam be liable for any legal infringement, broken laws, illegal shooting, shooting someone, or would the justice/legal/court system find Sam to be free and clear of any illegal actions?

The question: did Sam (who is basically any American 100% legal citizen that had a deer rifle in his vehicle and he retrieved it and shot the sniper in the hotel) break any laws or is Sam now a national hero. (legally speaking, not just in opinion.)


This is a serious question and one that I think merits discussion.

Uhhh, a G17 will get it done offhand.

You won't score 10 out of 10 but you also don't want to be the beer can.
Dave