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Originally Posted by Fireball2
Dude I'm an equipment operator and landscaper from Oregon. Native Oregonian, 51 years. I don't have the desire or the knowledge to pretend to be anybody else. If I have anything to say I'll say it as Fireball2.

The controversy only arises when the same half dozen guys dogpile the thread just because that's what's in their heart. I ask an honest question and they make it personal, as always. Feel free to chat by PM if you doubt what I say.

I ran with some of the best sock puppet running mofos on here for yrs, interacting and helping out on things some people still think happened to this day.
I came clean months ago to all on here with several postings on my threads i started. Pm rickbin and ask him if i fessed up to my doings. And I will freely answer any question about the tn mafia via pm to anyone that feels a need. Then said persons can do whatever they want with it for all I care, post the question and answer for all to see. You seem to be a central character in controversy and deflection alot of times. Very recognizable pattern to me from experience..........

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You are welcome to think what you will, but I just don't have it in me. Life is too complicated at home to spend the energy here strategizing anything. I asked a simple question, why do we wait until someone dies to say something nice about him? Why not make the effort while we are still alive and have a chance to effect some change for the better? Used my family as na example of how those choices affect a persons mental state later.

I have no idea how that could ever be construed as a bad idea but look, the thread speaks for itself.


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Originally Posted by stevelyn
Sometimes people want to remember a loved one as they were and not how how they wasted away due to a disease, especially one as horrendous as cancer. There are times I wish I didn't witness the pain and suffering.


Same lame ass excuse used by everyone that didn't want to be there for the ones around them suffering. No one wants to see that, but that is what love and humanity are all about.

My young wife died of cancer; it took awhile, and she was a beam of light right up to the end. There were those that uttered your words and they missed the very best in that sweet woman and they have to live with that, although most were too selfish to care anyway.

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Deflection...

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Originally Posted by renegade50
Deflection...

No, actually, I just restated the original question that the thread is all about. You may want to take a step back and breathe.


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Originally Posted by renegade50
...Ya. Stepping on your dick with golf spikes on , aint exactly a good thing at times.


It's hurt like Hell every time I've done it!

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There's some nutty [bleep] around here. I like it.


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Originally Posted by gitem_12
Originally Posted by APDDSN0864
Originally Posted by renegade50
...Ya. Stepping on your dick with golf spikes on , aint exactly a good thing at times.


It's hurt like Hell every time I've done it!

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If common decency has to be explained to anyone in particular, it's an effort in futility.

They can defend it til the cows come home, but they have none.


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Originally Posted by Steelhead
Keeping your own counsel solves all the problems associated with 'why' when it concerns others.


Scott, your very first post towards me was to STFU, so there's no room for you to be critical. You cook your own goose from what I've seen. Regardless, i don't know you and wish you no ill will, although my patience has worn thin with your mouth many times.



This is why I later called you an idiot. We were having a civil discussion and then you go off in the post above. I never said STFU, I never implied it. You can't comprehend the written word then immediately make it about you, like victims do.

Once again, you start the shiet but I'm the bad guy. Why, because you're too [bleep] stupid to understand what is written and go straight to victim in zero point 3 seconds.


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Originally Posted by Fireball2
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Keeping your own counsel solves all the problems associated with 'why' when it concerns others.


Scott, your very post towards me was to STFU, so there's no room for you to be critical. You cook your own goose from what I've seen. Regardless, i don't know you and wish you no ill will, although my patience has worn thin with your mouth many times.



Once again, reading comprehension and IQ are tripping you up before you get to the first turn.



You spend an inordinate amount of your energy looking for ways to put other people down, so we pretty much know where you're coming from.

There's a few guys here that get where I'm coming from, you aren't one of them.



Yes, they are called idiots as well. Once again, you couldn't comprehend what I typed, because you are stupid, and immediately go into victim mode.


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I know if kicked the old can tomorrow I could care less what the folks on 24 hour said about me I’m dead. I have several buds that will help my wife in fulfilling my request for spreading my ashes in the alphabets in unit 13.. I think some folks are more concerned about how people feel about them after they kick the ol can.. I say who cares..


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Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.

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Originally Posted by Steelhead
Funny, I NEVER considered a funeral to be about the dead person, I guess many do.

That was a lesson that was taught to me very early. You go for the living. Get dressed.


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Originally Posted by 79S
I say who cares..


Then you'll like this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXnqnvSFmxQ



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Originally Posted by Fireball2
Guys, this is going to sound real corny, forgive me for that.

But with a persons passing many people come forward to say as nice a thing as they can remember about the guy, as it should be. At that point the struggles are over, and by gone's are by gone's.

When my dad died after a 7 month bout with cancer, my middle sister went into some kind of funk because she couldn't cope with losing him. Funny and sad thing was she wouldn't come see him when he was sick, even tho she lived only 20 miles away. The rest of us spent as much time as we could with dad and didn't have the regrets she had. Now she treats mom the same way too, and we keep telling her mom ain't gunna live forever.

Paying respects is the right and honorable thing to do when someone passes, to be sure. But why not do the same while we're still alive? Why so negative to each other when there's still time to do something about it?

We all make choices. You all have a good day.

An awesome sentiment. Thanks for posting it.

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Originally Posted by Whisky
Regarding this thread and a couple other recent ones, Some of you [bleep] are truly disgusting humans. I'm a nobody around here who hides in the shadows in hopes of learning something. Once in a while I make the mistake to click on one of the good old boys club post and find a bunch of grown men acting little bitches. Grow the [bleep] up, and I also feel , like the OP, you should treat people like you want to be treated. Even this POS millennial knows that. Some of you should be ashamed. Talking about being great men and great Americans, but I'd be embarrassed as [bleep] if you represented me or my family or country.


Be patient Whiskey. There are still nuggets of good information and lessons to be learned on this sight. Although some times they are few and far between. It gets ugly around here every so often but there are also some great folks who have a lot of information to give. It's up to you to sort it out.

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Like this one Whiskey.


Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by 79S
I say who cares..


Then you'll like this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXnqnvSFmxQ





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Originally Posted by Whisky
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Originally Posted by Whisky
Regarding this thread and a couple other recent ones, Some of you [bleep] are truly disgusting humans. I'm a nobody around here who hides in the shadows in hopes of learning something. Once in a while I make the mistake to click on one of the good old boys club post and find a bunch of grown men acting little bitches. Grow the [bleep] up, and I also feel , like the OP, you should treat people like you want to be treated. Even this POS millennial knows that. Some of you should be ashamed. Talking about being great men and great Americans, but I'd be embarrassed as [bleep] if you represented me or my family or country.








You must be Jewish


I haven't been around long enough to know if that is a compliment or insult. However, no jew in me...

Whisky, stick around, and join in. The company can be a bit rough around the edges, and I was warned about a few in particular when I joined, but there is knowledge and good will here as well. I've butted heads with both steelhead and crossfireooops, but they each have thier own value. I've also debated just walking away. So far, the good outweighs the bad.


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We all know that the varieties of human values, thought and behavior are endless. I try to accept folks as they arrive, give them a reasonable amount of respect and trust according to the circumstances, and take it from there based on their ensuing behavior. Unless I am responsible for what they do, any expectations on my part are worthless and needless. I think this can be a good approach to places like the Campfire

Every person I ever hired, and most of my students, were told clearly that they could not earn my trust and respect - that I had taken the risk of giving both respect and trust to them in full measure at the outset - and they knew my hope that they could appreciate that and not do anything to lose either. Most took and used that very, very well - some did not. They soon were gone. That is simply one man's method, and it has seemed most humane to me. Yours may be better - much better. Consistency with one's espoused values and beliefs looms large among others.

Internet acquaintances usually flash some things quickly. So be it - one can assess quickly and decide how to handle them. Seems like I rarely avoid a strong discussion about values - even a battle here and there - but often it's difficult to do that well and honorably on the Campfire, or almost anywhere on the internet. Lots of variety here.

Friends are different and, even as a kid, I decided to not try to seek friends. Friendships develop as a result of interaction, judgments based on important shared values, and the felt joy of the relationship. Good decisions regarding friendship require discernment. One of the best pieces of advice my wonderful Dad ever offered was that a man should choose as friends only those who will bring out the very best in him. Thankfully, I have a few. Few, but precious.

As for comments upon the passing of another, I try to follow a rule. One should say of the deceased only those things that one would have said to his/her face when alive, and best to avoid saying things that might be, even in the least, injurious or disrespectful to those who mourn the passing. I'm about to lose a beautiful friend following almost 50 years of enjoyment, deep respect and wonderful mutual accomplishments. The comments will be easy, the loss difficult. Hope there is something useful here.



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