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22-243AI with a 35 gr bullet at 5,000 ft/sec plus. Velocity beats BC every time at distances less than 500 yds. Use a Barnes bullet and you'll never catch one in a whitetail. Virtually no recoil either.
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At 500yds and under there are several contenders and you can make as much difference in trajectory with various bullets as with the shape/capacity of the case or caliber.
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I think the dots are the answer with any flat shooter I will be good to close to 400 and the rest get a free pass unless they lolly gag around in the middle of a sendero. Although it is frequently windy, at deer level the brush keeps the winds down but what there are are turbulent. Wind is my only hesitation to the really light weights but velocity doe's compensate for BC some on windage at medium ranges at least. Need to check the 110s in the 270 WSM and 120's in the 7RM to see if there is much if any advantage over the 140s or other cartridge combos.
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whatever you shoot, make sure it is AI so that you can add 10,000 PSI. 
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IMO - With any 243, 6.5, 7 mm, 30 caliber cartridge it becomes a question of how much powder do you want to burn and how much recoil do you want to endure. Choose any of them in a chambering you like with a recoil level that you can comfortably handle and go with it.
In my experience the less the recoil the better one can shoot.
drover This is exactly why I went to the 6.5 Creedmoor.
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whatever you shoot, make sure it is AI so that you can add 10,000 PSI. That 40 degree shoulder automatically extends the range too. In fact the AI's gain altitude like those scope diagrams where the trajectory arches above the line of sight. Pure ballistic magic. I suspect the 6AI will become a favorite if I ever get it finished. With 95s to 105s at 3200+ fps with R26 and a Minox BDC type reticle and I should be good to go. My max will still be 350-400 due to the jerk behind the trigger not the hardware. Desertrat good choice I am resisting the Creed fever as my Swede would get jealous.
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If you're not already using a laser range finder, scope with turrets and practicing out to 600 or further, a flatter shooting round isn't what you need. And if you are using a laser range finder, scope with turrets and practicing out to 600 or further you know that a slightly flatter trajectory really isn't a big help.
Put the money and time into what will really make a difference.
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... like those scope diagrams where the trajectory arches above the line of sight. Pure ballistic magic. If I'm reading you right then you're off base here.
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Love the 6.5s but 270 Weatherby is just so forgiving; even with 150s just kills it at 500+.
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the 300 rum drops about 24-36 inches at 500 with a 200gr going 3200 fps.
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7 Wby, 120 Nosler @ 3650 fps, 1/2 MOA, 24” barrel
How much more accurate or flatter would you need?
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... like those scope diagrams where the trajectory arches above the line of sight. Pure ballistic magic. If I'm reading you right then you're off base here. That was in the same vein as bullets going so fast they don't have time to open up.
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Love the 6.5s but 270 Weatherby is just so forgiving; even with 150s just kills it at 500+. Agreed. Going to be adding another 270 Roy here soon.
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Love the 6.5s but 270 Weatherby is just so forgiving; even with 150s just kills it at 500+. Agreed. Going to be adding another 270 Roy here soon. Info on what you're buying,please,340boy.
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for whitetail move your stand 400 yards further down the field
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Love the 6.5s but 270 Weatherby is just so forgiving; even with 150s just kills it at 500+. Agreed. Going to be adding another 270 Roy here soon. Info on what you're buying,please,340boy. Ken, Was looking at a MK V Outfitter in 270 Wby yesterday. I like the looks of it but I need to do some research before I commit. I had a MkV UL in 270 Weatherby about 10 years ago. Killed a couple of mule deer with it but would like to pop an elk with one!
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Gotcha. 
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Who knows, Mike? One of these days maybe I will!
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10 4. It's a flat shooting laser beam.
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