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I looking for an a2 style rifle with carry handle/sight.
weighing accuracy, reliability and cost, which off the shelf rifle?
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I'd buy a complete upper from White Oak Armament or piece one together myself.
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Have you checked into the Colt a4, I know it's not a true a2 but it has the carry handle.
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Not really interested in uppers, lowers or piecing anything together. I do work with a ton of guys who love that stuff. Half the guys I work with live in Colona, Geneseo, or Rock Island. A lot of them have wrked at the arsenal, or for RRA or Springfield.
I want a rifle ready out of the box. The used colts look like a decent deal, but would like a tighter twist.
Looking for opinions on rifles like the Springer Saint, or the S&W M&P15 sportII. Possibly even the Ruger ar556.
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John,
When you say "A2 style" are you mean with a 20" government profile, rifle gas barrel with the round plastic handguards, or just something with a carry handle and fixed front sight?
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By A2 style I assumed he was wanting a true type A2 rifle.
More info is needed:
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Not really interested in uppers, lowers or piecing anything together. I do work with a ton of guys who love that stuff. Half the guys I work with live in Colona, Geneseo, or Rock Island. A lot of them have wrked at the arsenal, or for RRA or Springfield.
I want a rifle ready out of the box. The used colts look like a decent deal, but would like a tighter twist.
Looking for opinions on rifles like the Springer Saint, or the S&W M&P15 sportII. Possibly even the Ruger ar556. Those aren't A2 rifles. An A2 rifle would mean it has a 20" barrel and an A2 non-collapsible stock. If you want a rifle I would get a Colt A4, a RRA A4 or an FN. I'd honestly get the Colt if it were my money. Travis
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For me, I would get a flattop and put a handle on it. If you change your mind, scope mounting is easy. True A2 type, is hardER to scope.
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Barrel length isn't as important to me. I do prefer the non collapsible stock, and i really prefer the carry handle sight like on the original m16. It wouldn't bother me to piece on the carry handle/sight.
Almost all of the ARs i've handled in the last few years have had a collapsible stock, and I could live with one.
I likely used the A2 term incorrectly, as my familiarity with the terminology ended in the early 80s
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Rock River NM A4 or same from White Oak. Either will be a 1/.2 min. rifle with good ammo
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Are all lowers pretty much compatible with any upper?
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This forum needs somebody knowledgeable to post a sticky explaining terminology and common acronyms. Reading some of the build descriptions here is like reading the old gearhead articles of the 70s.
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Are all lowers pretty much compatible with any upper? Yes.
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Yes, your concerns about buying upper and lower separately are unfounded. Assembly is simply pushing out two captive pins, putting the parts together and pushing the pins back in.
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Barrel length isn't as important to me. I do prefer the non collapsible stock, and i really prefer the carry handle sight like on the original m16. It wouldn't bother me to piece on the carry handle/sight.
Almost all of the ARs i've handled in the last few years have had a collapsible stock, and I could live with one.
I likely used the A2 term incorrectly, as my familiarity with the terminology ended in the early 80s I don't know of anybody building a 16" barreled AR with the A2 stock other than those Colt's that were already posted on this thread. Travis
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Been looking a little deeper and see that 1/9 twist is fairly common. A few conversations with others had me thinking that most stuff made today was barreled 1/8 or even 1/7.
My only current .22 centerfire is rifled 1/14 and I use 50 gr or lighter bullets. Will a 1/9 barrel do well with most available ammo?
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I like 1/7 best myself. That opens the doors to any and all ammo, without closing any. I've shot everything from the 40gr VMax up to the 90gr Sierra Matchking in the 20" 1/7 Colt barrel. They all work.
I have a three 1/7 barrels, two 1/9 barrels, and one 1/8 in the inventory.
The 1/9 stabilizes some of the 75/77gr stuff, but the 1/7 is more accurate with it.
My 1/8 is a bolt gun. It works fine with all the 75/77gr stuff.
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Been looking a little deeper and see that 1/9 twist is fairly common. A few conversations with others had me thinking that most stuff made today was barreled 1/8 or even 1/7.
My only current .22 centerfire is rifled 1/14 and I use 50 gr or lighter bullets. Will a 1/9 barrel do well with most available ammo? Yeah but unless you plan on going lighter than 50gr a 1-8 or 1-7 will be fine and allow you to shoot heavy bullets if you ever want to.
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I like 1/7 best myself. That opens the doors to any and all ammo, without closing any. I've shot everything from the 40gr VMax up to the 90gr Sierra Matchking in the 20" 1/7 Colt barrel. They all work.
I have a three 1/7 barrels, two 1/9 barrels, and one 1/8 in the inventory.
The 1/9 stabilizes some of the 75/77gr stuff, but the 1/7 is more accurate with it.
My 1/8 is a bolt gun. It works fine with all the 75/77gr stuff. +1 Depending on your luck and who you get it from, a 1/9 can be really hinky with 75s. Sometimes you'll get a barrel that is rifled slower than advertised. Rifling buttons sometimes slip and yield a slower twist. I wouldn't waste my time on one unless I was absolutely sure I was never going to shoot anything more than a 69 Sierra.
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