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Kim Darby was a very popular audience favorite at that time therefore a money making commodity.

She was in a Star Trek episode.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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Kim Darby was a very popular audience favorite at that time therefore a money making commodity.

She was in a Star Trek episode.


She probably sucked in that too.




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Have to agree with joken2 there. I liked them both. I think Damon makes a better spook than he does a cowboy. In fact that's just about his only claim to fame. Nobody holds a pistol quite as well as the Duke nor sit's a horse either. I do think that Jeff Bridges is a very versatile actor and a credit to the profession.

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I watch and love them both and agree with those that take them as two separate movies.


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This scene from the original film was The Duke's second best "Showdown Scene" to me. In my opinion, the final showdown with Bruce Dern in "The Cowboys" was better. That being said, both scenes are likely my favorite Western " Showdown Scene's" of all time. Actors with John Wayne's style and brass are long gone from films and modern writers spend more time focusing on shock value of profanity and sex scenes than making good quality films with solid story lines.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by joken2

Kim Darby was a very popular audience favorite at that time therefore a money making commodity.

She was in a Star Trek episode.


Films roles before True Grit:

Bye Bye Birdie (1963) as a Teenager
Bus Riley's Back in Town (1965)
The Restless Ones (1965)
The Karate Killers (1967)
Flesh and Blood (1968)

TV roles:

Mr. Novak (1963, 1965)
Dr. Kildare - (1964) Episode "A Nickel's Worth of Prayer" - as Patsy
"Hang Down Your Head and Laugh" (1966), episode of the television series Run for Your Life
"Joshua's Kingdom" (1966), episode of the television series The Fugitive
"Miri" (1966), episode of the television series Star Trek
The Man from U.N.C.L.E. episode "The Five Daughters Affair" (1967)
Gunsmoke (1967), 3 episodes
Ironside (1967), television pilot film for the NBC series of the same name
Bonanza, "The Sure Thing", 1967
"Vengeance" (1967), Season 13 Episode 4 of the television series Gunsmoke as Angel, Part I & II with James Stacy

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I hate to admit this, but I had a crush on Kim Darby when I was 11.


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I've never seen the entire remake version, but ain't much wrong with the original. Watched 'er from start to finish last week, for the first time in many years.

If not mistaken, this story (novel) was serialized in the Saturday Evening Post, way back when. Kinda recall reading it when I was around 18 or so.


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The new one was way better. Knowing the area so well, I could never get over that they moved the Rocky Mountains to Arkansas and Eastern Oklahoma in the first one. The new one was shot in Texas and New Mexico and looked much better. It really looked like the part of Oklahoma they were supposed to be in, especially in the winter. If you drive the Indian Nations Turnpike sometime around Mcalister and you’ll see what I mean.

The second movie also had the one of th best and most realistic courtroom scenes you’ll ever see. The examinations were realistic and the rules of evidence were actually followed. The first movie used the same dialogue but true to form missed the details. What details would those be you say? There was an empty jury box with empty chairs behind John Wayne as he was examined in a murder trial.

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Originally Posted by shaman
I hate to admit this, but I had a crush on Kim Darby when I was 11.


Sham, that explains a lot. shocked wink grin


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I'll take the John Wayne version every day, and twice on Sundays.



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I am mystified by the mountain man scene and the guy hanging in the tree also. I read the book after seeing the first one so it has been a long time ago but I do not recall that in the book.

I like them both but at least in my memory the Bridges version did a better job of following the book.

My favorite scene was in #2 though - when Bridges was going into the trading post and the couple of kids were outside teasing the donkey. On the way in Bridges kicked him off the porch and on the way back out he kicked him off the porch again, not sure that was in the book either but it set the tone for the type of person Cogburn was.

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Loved everything about True Grit #1. The scene when Little Blackie collapses is the most poignant ever filmed.

Trying to remember any performance in which I enjoyed Jeff Bridges. Totally failing!


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Originally Posted by drover
"I am mystified by the mountain man scene and the guy hanging in the tree also. I read the book after seeing the first one so it has been a long time ago but I do not recall that in the book. ..."

Those scenes were not in the book and I could never figure out why they were written and filmed. Did nothing to drive the plot.

The scene mentioned below was not in the book, either.

"My favorite scene was in #2 though - when Bridges was going into the trading post and the couple of kids were outside teasing the donkey. On the way in Bridges kicked him off the porch and on the way back out he kicked him off the porch again, not sure that was in the book either but it set the tone for the type of person Cogburn was."

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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Loved everything about True Grit #1. The scene when Little Blackie collapses is the most poignant ever filmed.

Trying to remember any performance in which I enjoyed Jeff Bridges. Totally failing!


Mr. Bridges isn’t my favorite actor, but he did alright.


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Went up to Owl Creek Pass last year at Deb's field where they filmed that scene. Felt good taking pictures of there of the giant boulder and Chimney Tower.


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I like both and have read the book. The Coen brothers version was more true to the book especially in location and age of Mattie.

But the question you have to ask is who had true grit? Fans of John Wayne will always say it was Wayne's Rooster and the movie portrayed it this way because of Wayne's fan following. I even believed it until I saw the new version and read the book.

It was obvious to me that Mattie was the only character with true grit. She was looking for someone with true grit because that was her quality and her standard. The final scene in the newer one with the old Mattie adds a final portrait of Mattie missing from the Wayne version. "I wasn't awake when they took my arm". The girl was tough all through her life.

I'll still watch both whenever they are on but the second gets by vote as a better telling off the story..

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The John Wayne, 1969 move. Just watching it on you tube. Classic.

Saw both. The new one is better.


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I grew up on the old one.
I've watched it a hundred times.
I liove the mountain scenery in the original it is the hunting country of the west, I'm alive in that setting and love every minute of the original' s capture of it.

The remake is ugly, dark and dreary as far as scenery.

John Wayne characters are always John Wayne.

That said, I still like the original better.


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