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There’s more than one way to skin a cat.
If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking. George S. Patton
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How much experience do any of them have shooting meat?
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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How much experience do any of them have shooting meat?
You beat me to the post but I can forgive you because you're right LOL
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Interesting, I thought there would have more 1911's and 45's.
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I can't get past the idea that clueful might be an actual word.
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...this might be the perfect definition/example of the word 'Groupthink'...
all learning is like a funnel: however, contrary to popular thought, one begins with the the narrow end. the more you progress, the more it expands into greater discovery--and the less of an audience you will have...
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Guess I'm clueless, because I'm still carrying a concealed J-frame, same as I carried before I retired. Glad I made it out alive. Bob
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Clueful or clueless. More p or all the p. If you ask me standard p is enough p. My head hurts just watching this drivel.
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I think the guy in that video is TRH...
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“They want a gun that is super reliable, and they want a gun that goes bang every time they pull the trigger, that has simple controls, and is shootable and controllable…”
He left out “cheap”.
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The Real Hawkeye: The answer to your question is "GLOCK"! Don't need to see video. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
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Hard to argue the credibility of a guy w/ a high dollar film set like his, complete w/ uber green screen. He looks like he needs to start mixing some gym time w/ his range time.
Tom Givens' instructor class credentials do carry more weight than the NRA paper, this in an industry w/ few license standards.
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Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that. Craig Douglas ECQC
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It's been a little over 25 years since I attended, but NRA's Police Firearms Instructor Development School was operated on the premise that a FTO should be a top shooter in any venue they were instructing. There were still a few humping to pass the course when I left on the 5th day.
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Sarge, you would soil yourself if you saw what passes for pistol and self defense instructor standards today w/ the NRA.
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Don't wish it were easier Wish you were better
Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that. Craig Douglas ECQC
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Sarge, you would soil yourself if you saw what passes for pistol and self defense instructor standards today w/ the NRA.
mike r Sounds like it. Makes me want to remain blissfully ignorant of them, too.
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Heck, I was an NRA Certified Instructor in Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun, Personal Protection and Home Firearms Safety for about 15 years. Basically, I took the courses through our sportsman's club and passed the tests. Kept up my certifications by sending in something like $15 every year, didn't have to retake any tests. Guess that makes me full of clues.
Gunnery, gunnery, gunnery. Hit the target, all else is twaddle!
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I carry a glock am I clueless?
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I watched the whole video. Here are my thoughts/reactions:
1. I wanted to dislike this guy for his patronizing and glib presentation. But..I kind of liked him. I believe he is sincere in trying to get people to carry the best option for them.
2. The fact that a group of people tended to carry the same gun/ammo isn't surprising. All groups will follow their leader--whether they realize or not that there is, in fact, a leader. The question is whether the leader has led the sheeple to water. In this case, I don't disagree that the modern 9mm is easily "enough gun" for self defense when loaded with HST's or Gold Dots. And, most 9mm's provide for more ammo capacity than a .40 or .45.
3. This group carries Glocks. That makes sense since an external safety is just another opportunity for a victim to remain a victim instead of turning the tables on a bad guy. I'd bet the group of instructors shuns revolvers on the basis of ammo capacity and sight radius. "No man in a gunfight wishes he had a smaller gun and fewer bullets." But...if you train with your 1911, draw it well, hit the safety off the draw, and hit what you're aiming at, I think even this group wouldn't say you've made a "bad" decision.
4. I'd really like to know how many in this group had night sights on their guns. Given that bad things often happen in the dark, I'd bet it was a pretty high percentage.
5. While this video is not the gospel as to what we should be carrying, it should certainly make us stop and think. Do what's best for you, but in making that decision, why choose non-night sights? Why choose a tiny gun? Why opt for an external safety? Why carry with a cold chamber? Why prefer 8 or 9 rounds over 16 or 18? Again, do what's best for you, but make an informed choice.
Wade
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I can't get past the idea that clueful might be an actual word. Seriously! Why not just say "informed" or "knowledgable?"
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